Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?

[Alex K]

In my opinion, because He didn't want to micromanage it/us. He wanted to create a world where nature took its course and where intelligent beings had the free will to act in good or evil ways. The "perfect world" is Heaven.

But worms that eat your eyeballs from within and kids with cancer? I'm pretty sure no one would have complained about micromamagement or lack of free will if we didn't have those.

[Drich]

If you don't believe in a perfect god then this isn't aimed torwards you.

Why would a perfect being need/want to make an imperfect world with imperfect beings?

Well one, God created everything perfectly..

You have this individual who supposedly has no flaws at all, and he makes a flawed universe full of people who harm one another and who hate one another.

didn't start out that way. He simply allowed our natures to have a say

It doesn't make sense at all. Why would a perfect being make a imperfect world.

Again, he didn't.

If your first answer was free will then if Free will is such a limiting factor on making a perfect creation why have it in the first place?  It seems like that in itself is a mistake, intentionally making your creation with a huge limiting factor.

Free will does not enter the equation. Sin did. Sin being that which is not is God's expressed will for us. You may see this as imperfection, God sees it as being incomplete. So why does God allow us to be incomplete? To give those who want to be complete time they need to grow into God's expressed will for us.

[SteveII]

If you don't believe in a perfect god then this isn't aimed torwards you.

Why would a perfect being need/want to make an imperfect world with imperfect beings?

You have this individual who supposedly has no flaws at all, and he makes a flawed universe full of people who harm one another and who hate one another.

It doesn't make sense at all. Why would a perfect being make a imperfect world.

If your first answer was free will then if Free will is such a limiting factor on making a perfect creation why have it in the first place?  It seems like that in itself is a mistake, intentionally making your creation with a huge limiting factor.

First, welcome to the forum.

The answer is free will. A world in which people freely choose to love God and desire a relationship with him is better than a world that does not. The key word in that sentence is love. There can be no love without free will.

[Socrates]

If you don't believe in a perfect god then this isn't aimed torwards you.

Why would a perfect being need/want to make an imperfect world with imperfect beings?

Well one, God created everything perfectly..

You have this individual who supposedly has no flaws at all, and he makes a flawed universe full of people who harm one another and who hate one another.

didn't start out that way. He simply allowed our natures to have a say

It doesn't make sense at all. Why would a perfect being make a imperfect world.

Again, he didn't.

If your first answer was free will then if Free will is such a limiting factor on making a perfect creation why have it in the first place?  It seems like that in itself is a mistake, intentionally making your creation with a huge limiting factor.

Free will does not enter the equation. Sin did. Sin being that which is not is God's expressed will for us. You may see this as imperfection, God sees it as being incomplete. So why does God allow us to be incomplete? To give those who want to be complete time they need to grow into God's expressed will for us.

But in a perfect world would a mistake be possible? You say the world was perfect but the beings that reside in it are imperfect. Wouldn't the beings be part of the world aswell and if they are imperfect the world they reside in can't be perfect either. Why would a perfect being put imperfect beings in a perfect world, he would know full well the imperfect beings would ruin the perfect world and it all falls apart from there.

[SteveII]

Also, do you think perfect beings cannot have free will?  So, God does not have free will?  

If not, then a perfect world would still have had the option of free will, and nature taking it;s course, and God being very hands, off.  Probably more hands off, as there would be no need to intervene to punish, test, or help people so very often.

God does have free will but in addition is morally perfect and therefore not capable of sin. Moral perfection is a property of God alone (involves omniscience) so a created being would have to be less than morally perfect and therefore would not have the properties necessary to infallibly choose good.

[Aroura]

Also, do you think perfect beings cannot have free will?  So, God does not have free will?  

If not, then a perfect world would still have had the option of free will, and nature taking it;s course, and God being very hands, off.  Probably more hands off, as there would be no need to intervene to punish, test, or help people so very often.

God does have free will but in addition is morally perfect and therefore not capable of sin. Moral perfection is a property of God alone (involves omniscience) so a created being would have to be less than morally perfect and therefore would not have the properties necessary to infallibly choose good.

So the question remains.....why would a morally perfect being with free will not create other morally perfect beings, also with free will?  Are you saying he cannot?  So he's not Omnipotent.  And where do you get this idea that it's a property of God alone, based on what?  Would he just be jelous, since he would essentially be creating other gods, and he wanted inferior worshipers?

Do angels have free will?  How come they do not suffer and die? They are clearly not morally perfect, and they have free will.  Why make mortals at all, why not a universe full of angels that do not have to suffer the same way mortals do?  Angels get into heaven without having to go through the supposed choice test suffering BS that is mortal life on earth, please explain.

[Minimalist]

Well one, God created everything perfectly..

That sure as shit doesn't explain you.

[WinterHold]

If creations were perfect, why won't they be God themselves; in a scenario similair to what the ancient Greeks imagined?
Everybody would be God. 

The world is only fit for one God; if there were other "perfect" beings; Gods; then each would take what it made and go live alone; like the disgusting condition we have with countries and nations nowadays. Nationalism; Godly style. It would be Greek Mythology allover again.

We are created like this, because this is not life yet. This is a test ground. We will never be perfect, but we can be blessed in the mercy of God. To be perfect, is to have strength that of God's. If that so, then we would be immortal too. We would punch God perfectly, he would do the same, we would also punch each other perfectly. Immortal; we won't die.

I have no respect for a God like that.
Ancient Greeks weren't stupid when they threw their religion in the garbage; too.

[Godscreated]

One more question, do you think we lack free will in heaven, since we no longer have the choice to act in evil ways.

What makes you think you have free will to sin in your life here. Free will comes with no price, sin comes at a great price. Those who do good according to God want be judged by man nor Him. Those who do evil will be judged, if not by man by God himself. The only free will anyone has is to chose Christ as their savior or reject Him. Yes you can choose to do evil in this life but, it's not free you will pay a price.

GC

[SteveII]

God does have free will but in addition is morally perfect and therefore not capable of sin. Moral perfection is a property of God alone (involves omniscience) so a created being would have to be less than morally perfect and therefore would not have the properties necessary to infallibly choose good.

So the question remains.....why would a morally perfect being with free will not create other morally perfect beings, also with free will?  Are you saying he cannot?  So he's not Omnipotent.  And where do you get this idea that it's a property of God alone, based on what?  Would he just be jelous, since he would essentially be creating other gods, and he wanted inferior worshipers?

Do angels have free will?  How come they do not suffer and die? They are clearly not morally perfect, and they have free will.  Why make mortals at all, why not a universe full of angels that do not have to suffer the same way mortals do?  Angels get into heaven without having to go through the supposed choice test suffering BS that is mortal life on earth, please explain.

I don't think creating another morally perfect being is possible. Since for God to create a being which would infallibly choose good would be to create a copy of himself, that does not seem to be logically possible.

Angels appear to have free will. They were created to serve God. No indication that they grow, learn, love, nor are beings capable of relationships, etc. so therefore not an option to achieve what God achieved with humans.