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Trying to simplify my Consciousness hypothesis
#81
RE: Trying to simplify my Consciousness hypothesis
(February 18, 2017 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about the form of berkeleys foundational argument regarding objects and perception.  Time simply hasn't been kind to the premises....and in the 250 years since they were offered we have found ways to both deny the premises...and even to accept them and still arrive at a materialist conclusion.  Regardless of it's validity, the argument has become uninformative.

Sometime ago someone had some argument against some premise so we don't have to bother thinking about it and it doesn't matter anyway.
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#82
RE: Trying to simplify my Consciousness hypothesis
Yep.  That's what happens when an arguments premises can be accepted or denied and still not resolve into the position for which it was constructed, more egregiously, when they can just as easily resolve - either way- into a mutually contradictory position that the argument was specifically constructed to deny.  It becomes categorically inconclusive regardless of validity. Reducing any question of validity to a discussion of game theory.

Problem?  Perhaps you'd like to dive in further..to see why the foundational underpinnings were laid as such?  Easy enough, to force his "opponent" into a representationalist position from which he then, hilariously, offers an argument from ignorance to.  Ala...can you conceive of any way that these representations might interact with ordinary objects?  OFC...in the 1700's....not only was such a mechanism inconceivable it toed the line with the problem of interaction.  A convenient way to eliminate dualism in ignorance while purporting to be a skeptic.  

Berekeley.....and you know he would...continues, to provide an explanation of a monist idealist "substance" attributed to fucking ghosts, all in order to solve problems that his own confused and inconclusive arguments, themselves..created....and ends up with an explanation that sounds suspiciously like...you guessed it...material monism.  

Discuss, lol.
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RE: Trying to simplify my Consciousness hypothesis
You multiplied the number of your words and still managed to say nothing.
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RE: Trying to simplify my Consciousness hypothesis
If you cared to tell me what you're having trouble understanding, we could work on it.  Bitching and moaning about my word count won't exactly get us there. Let's try this:

Argument no good. Tell us nothing.
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