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Proof of God and Charlie Brown
7th October 2010, 19:59
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Proof of God and Charlie Brown
The following is a proof of God that a theist shared with me. Imagine! Someone actually proved the existence of God! It sure beats the pants off a proof I wrote during my deist days. It only has two assumptions: God is real and he is a worker. Enjoy!

1. Entropy exists.
2. Maximum equilibrium is 0 without work.
3. Organization exists in the universe.

Therefore:
4. Work was put into the system.
5. If work exists then a worker exists.

Therefore:
6. There is a first worker.
7. This first worker we know as God.


Pretty cool, eh? But one has to wonder why God would create entropy (disorder) if his goal was to create organization. Further, why not assume that energy is the worker. We can at least understand and observe energy. Plus, we can all agree energy is real. So the proof could read like this:

1. Entropy exists.
2. Maximum equilibrium is 0 without work.
3. Organization exists in the universe.

Therefore:
4. Work was put into the system.
5. If work exists then energy exists.

Note there are fewer steps. That generally happens when you don't have to work an imaginary worker into your proof.

But why prove the existence of God when you can prove the existence of Charlie Brown?

1. Charlie Brown built a doghouse for Snoopy.
2. He is a doghouse builder.
3. My neighbor has a doghouse.
4. The existence of this doghouse implies a doghouse builder.

Therefore:
5. Charlie Brown built my neighbor's doghouse.
6. Charlie Brown is real!

Amen!
Blame Hitchens, Dawkins & Harris...
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7th October 2010, 20:25
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RE: Proof of God and Charlie Brown
I see your point...but I have seen it before (without Charlie Brown). It's a good discussion though so this thread should be fun.

I'm waiting for the Theists now...
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7th October 2010, 20:28
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Lmao that first one would convince enough Christians for them to go spreading it.
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7th October 2010, 21:15
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Lol at Charlie Brown, but...I thought entropy was change, not disorder?
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8th October 2010, 00:04
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(7th October 2010 21:15)Watson Wrote:  Lol at Charlie Brown, but...I thought entropy was change, not disorder?

Technically speaking, it is neither.
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8th October 2010, 00:07
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(7th October 2010 21:15)Watson Wrote:  Lol at Charlie Brown, but...I thought entropy was change, not disorder?

Nope, it's disorder. (Order being unification)

Shell, you're wrong Smile
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8th October 2010, 00:18
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(8th October 2010 00:07)theVOID Wrote:  Shell, you're wrong Smile

Nuh-uh. Unless we're talking over simplified and selective definitions.
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8th October 2010, 00:25
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"One of the ideas involved in the concept of entropy is that nature tends from order to disorder in isolated systems."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hba...ntrop.html

"In thermodynamics, entropy is commonly associated with the amount of order, disorder, and/or chaos in a thermodynamic system."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(or..._disorder)

Entropy is sometimes referred to as a measure of the amount of "disorder" in a system. Lots of disorder = high entropy, while order = low entropy
http://webs.morningside.edu/slaven/physi...ropy7.html

The word disorder is used is because it is the most effective way of communicating the idea of what a "higher entropy" means.

To use both the terms Dispersal and Disorder are correct in describing the phenomenon, dispersal as the distance between quanta of energy, and disorder as the trend from unification to dispersement. Seeing as order is synonymous with unification and the antithesis of order is disorder where as the dispersement describes the effect of a more unified state (in volume) becoming a state where there is a greater volume between quanta, it is correct to use either as synonyms.
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8th October 2010, 00:27
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(8th October 2010 00:25)theVOID Wrote:  "One of the ideas involved in the concept of entropy is that nature tends from order to disorder in isolated systems."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hba...ntrop.html

Yes, that is the thermodynamics definition of entropy. I'm nitpicking, but disorder is kind of over simplifying the concept, isn't it? Furthermore, there are several other definitions. I'm just saying. Smile
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8th October 2010, 00:34
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I accidentally hit post the first time Tongue

Disorder is a perfectly reasonably synonym if there ever was one, especially when describing the entropic process.

To use both the terms Dispersal and Disorder are correct in describing the phenomenon, dispersal as the distance between quanta of energy, and disorder as the trend from unification to dispersement. Seeing as order is synonymous with unification and the antithesis of order is disorder where as the dispersement describes the effect of a more unified state (in volume) becoming a state where there is a greater volume between quanta, it is correct to use either as synonyms.
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