who created christianity

[16three-john]

will be on later, ill reply then, gotta go

[lilyannerose]

(7th December 2010 19:26)Minimalist Wrote:  That would be wonderful. Any technique that can restore an ancient document is welcome. It still is not likely to bring the cache back to before 300 BC.

My primary interest is The Nag Hammadi Library it would be great to see a lot of the blanks filled in with that find also!

[Minimalist]

I'm more interested in the Villa of the Papyrii. Enough of this religious bullshit. Let's see what ancient secular writers were thinking.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/digita...us-scrolls

[lilyannerose]

(7th December 2010 20:56)Minimalist Wrote:  I'm more interested in the Villa of the Papyrii. Enough of this religious bullshit. Let's see what ancient secular writers were thinking.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/digita...us-scrolls

Well, of course, I get that. Ever think about what was burned when the Library in Alexandria went up?

[Minimalist]

(7th December 2010 22:22)lilyannerose Wrote:  

(7th December 2010 20:56)Minimalist Wrote:  I'm more interested in the Villa of the Papyrii. Enough of this religious bullshit. Let's see what ancient secular writers were thinking.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/digita...us-scrolls

Well, of course, I get that. Ever think about what was burned when the Library in Alexandria went up?

It's an incalculable loss.

[Chuck]

And it was the peaceful religion of Islam that called for the intentional second burning of the library of Alexandria.

[dqualk]

Minimalist Wrote:Constantine and his gang of thugs.

lol this is ignorance. You fascinate me minimalist. You cry for facts, and you are tired of people claiming things without all of the facts then you go and expose yourself like this, by saying STUPID ASS SHIT. lol Grow up, read a book, no I do not mean some stupid ass book found in some retarded book store that was written by some idiot with a bachelors degree in basket weaking. But if you would like some good books to read you could read Paul Johnsons or Diarmaid McCullochs A history of Christianity. Or you could read various academic journals, or various respectable publications.

Christianity was invented by Jesus Christ. Don't be silly. Now Paul probably helped to develop Christianity from what Jesus taught more than anyone single person in the beginning.

Christianity was created by Jesus with certain new innovations in the field of theology, like for example, a personal Father God who loves you. And most importantly, that good is good in and of itself. He taught intrinsic value. For more information read the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus. In which he says things like love your enemy, pray in secret, give charity in secret. Why? Becuase doing good is good in and of itself.

Paul and the other apostles, or disciples of the apostles, helped to make the theology and pracitces more systematic. They did this by borrowing Greek philosophy, and Roman organization/law and adding in Jewish traditions and beliefs, they took it all and read it anew through the lens of the God-man Jesus Christ. The central teaching of Christianity was the death and resurrection of Christ, which gave hope to all men that death indeed is not the end. Over time Christianity would develop, this development is due to an uncountable amount of people. But some of the key names would be Polycarp, Ignasius, Julius Africanus, Tertullian Origien, Basil, Gregory of Nyssa Justin Martyr, Ambrose, Augustine of Hippo, Constantine, Beotheus, Leo the Great, Gregory the Great, Dante, Anselm, Bede, Thomas Aquinas, John of the Cross, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Molina, Zwingli, Ignatius of Loyola, Teresa Liseaux, Jonathan Edwads, John Wesley, Billy Graham, Pius IX, John XXIII, JP II well I'm tired of listing names now. but these people contributed greatly the how Christianity looks today.

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Quote:Also, the biblical canon was not simply 'cobbled' together at the council of nicine. Christians in or around 80 AD got together and started to make decisions on which of these writings were to be in the new testament. They used many different pieces of information to try to see what should and shouldnt be in the bible. These included but were not limited to:
-The author had to be either one of Jesus' apostles, or a close associate of an apostle
-The teachings within the writings could not directly contradict christianity or god's word
-The writings had to be accepted by chritians everywhere at that time
Because of the last criteria, 3 writings that were generally accepted as going into the NT were then under dispute. Christians then waited for over 200 years to see just what people thought about these 3 books, and they also prayed to their god to ask him to show them what to do. In 325, at the council of nicine, it was decided that these 3 books would be accepted into the bible.

Not quite but close lol. Actually the first council to decide on the Canon was the regional council of Hippo (late 4th century), which got the Bible right down to the exact version we have today. this regional council was not approve by a universla council till, I belive it was Nicea II in the late 8th century.

The short of it is, the Bible came about rather organically. Its more official closing was spurred on by Pope Damasius (4th century AD) when he requested that all city-churches close their canon. The council of Hippo was a response to this, and they were the most successful and univeral in their choice of books to be included. for this reason, at Nicea II they were univerally recognized as the Bible, and gently bound on all the faithful, that is they were not really zealous about forcing other places, like say Ethiopia, to get rid of certain books they appreciated like say the Book of Enoch. It wasnt until teh Council of Trent that what should and shoul dnot be in the Bible was challenged where the Church finally left no room for doubt taht the Bible affirmed at Nicea II was in fact the closed canon.

[Minimalist]

Quote:lol this is ignorance. You fascinate me minimalist. You cry for facts, and you are tired of people claiming things without all of the facts then you go and expose yourself like this, by saying STUPID ASS SHIT. lol Grow up, read a book, no I do not mean some stupid ass book found in some retarded book store that was written by some idiot with a bachelors degree in basket weaking. But if you would like some good books to read you could read Paul Johnsons or Diarmaid McCullochs A history of Christianity. Or you could read various academic journals, or various respectable publications.

I'm glad I fascinate you. Your fucking fantasy god and corrupt church do not fascinate me, however, given the incalculable harm they have done to humanity down through the centuries.

There is really no point in even talking to someone who takes this gospel bullshit at face value and even less to someone who thinks the "church" is telling them what really happened. Your church evolved into what it is when it gained power...first from Constantine but later emperors did far more damage (Theodosius being the primary example.)

You aren't going to find any of this information in your fucking bible or catechism.... that shit is put out there for dolts to swallow whole.

I'm sure this would cause your head to explode...if you read it.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/wordofgod.htm


Instead you can go back to defending institutionalized pedophilia so you don't have to face the fact that what is truly a corrupt group of criminal bastards is running your fucking church.

[dqualk]

Mini grow up. With your straw man arguements. The fact is I've read more about the history of teh Church, secular, atheist, and various Christian viewpoints then what youve read about anything in your life.

[Ashendant]

dqualk Wrote:Mini grow up. With your straw man arguements. The fact is I've read more about the history of teh Church, secular, atheist, and various Christian viewpoints then what youve read about anything in your life.

That sounded incredibly trollish