Does anyone seriously believe that one day all religion will die?

[Violet]

There will be a solution to prevent or recover from accidents.

Really. What about preventing natural disasters,such as floods, earthquakes and volcanoes.Oh,and how do you plan to change the global economy so that no one starves to death? Especially since the human population would explode.


I've always seen the quest for immortality as shallow and self destructive of our species. Unless of course it was limited to me and a chosen few.

To prevent earthquakes, floods, and volcanoes (on Earth)... as well as prevent humans from staving again, and also preventing human population explosion: Destroy Earth and all humans everywhere

That's my solution to prevent accidents. As we can see... recovery from them would no longer be necessary.

[chatpilot]

I personally have never set out to convert anyone to atheism, I just feel that with the same right that a theist has to publicly propagate his beliefs I should have the right to state my unbelief. I have no problem with theism as long as it is not being forced upon me through legislation and government coercion. But when theism tries to force laws that prohibit abortion based solely on their ignorant beliefs then I have serious problems. When they state that we should teach creationism/ID in tax funded public schools along with science and evolutionary studies then I have a problem. When their slogan in God we trust is all over my money and in our court houses and swearing to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me God is presented before me then I defend my right to refuse to be sworn in in a court of law in that fashion.

I am in complete agreement that religion is one of those things that will never go away. Religion is a permanent fixture in our society and to think that it will one day disappear is wishful thinking. There will always be those who need religion it is a product that serves a need for some people.

[Anomalocaris]

A pentacostal need not believe in evolution or genetics to benefit from fruits of gene therapy developed with the aid of theory of evolution.

Something in the form of even the most ignorant religion will last so long as the society is unable develop its institutions and economies in such a way as to make majority of its member benefits directly not only from the rational and critical world view of others, but from their own rational and critical world view. So long as not everyone gets immediate and tangible benefit from his own rational and critical world view, there will be people in the societt who will be vulnerable to other people, like teleevanglists and new age gurus, who might directly benefit from encouraging others to adopt a wishthinking world view. As long as sizeable portion of the population remain in this state, there will be religion.

[LWP17]

I can't answer this because I don't know events that will happen in the future which will kill off one belief or form another one.

[ScienceIsTheOnlyLord]

Throughout all recorded human history, religion has played a part. Why would you then think that this will ever change?

To respond to your rhetorical question with another – Why would you then think that this will never change?

Because there is no evolutionary benefit in people not believing in god. they can still fuck, these believers.

Darwin taught us that we are animals like the rest. No other animal can change its nature through thought and effort, so then why us?

I reject your statement utterly. You insult those of us who have changed themselves for the better. If that assertion of yours was remotely true I couldn't have possibly deconverted from Christianity even if I tried to...

Those of us who have changed themselves for the 'better' (a subjective achievement) have done so in a way that has not changed their human nature. when you converted from christianity you didn't stop being human. you didn't change your nature. you just followed your nature, into non-believing. other people's nature takes them elsewhere.

Schopenhauer - surely the most realistic of all the philosophers - told as that 'we can do what we will, but we cannot will what we will'. Unlike Dawkins, he truly understood the message of Darwin.

What are you talking about? Schopenhauer was a philosopher, him and several biologists published their work on evolution roughly three decades before Charles Darwin conducted his scientific investigations into the diversity of living organisms. Darwin is credited with acceptance of the theory. You could argue Arthur Schopenhauer was a forerunner of Darwin. Schopenhauer was *not* inspired or influenced by Darwin's work in any manner.

Not much i can say to this. yep, he wasn't inspired by darwin, but his viewpoints - even though coming earlier - understand darwinism better than most: the will is unalterable.

Religion has always been with us and always will. It is insane and ignorant of the realities of darwinism to try and change this. Tolerance and understanding of the failings of human logic (i.e. religion) is the wisest state of mind. Everything else is just pie-in-the-sky talk.

Accept. Tolerate. The world will never be united in a single philosophy. And thank god for that (figure of speech).

Here's a thought experiment for you. You met several people belonging to a cult who announces to you their new religion demands that they sacrifice you to the giant frog god in the sun. Needless to say you'd be the first to accept that what they're doing/proposed in the name of that religion is wholly, ignorantly and abominably wrong - in light of this gross human misconduct I daresay you'd be the first to abandon any notion of tolerance and understanding of such mind states...

i'm not saying tolerate everything. i'm saying tolerate all that can be tolerated. if someone tries to kill you for whatever reason, faith, logical or otherwise, resist it by all means. but if that someone does kill you, then you might as well tolerate your death.

Does anyone really believe religion will one day die out? If not, give up trying to convert people, and begin trying to understand them.

Sure, our religions die out when people either finally wake up and realise it's a steaming pile of fallacious made-up bullshit, or, more likely, when the human race goes extinct.

the former will never happen, the latter will definitely happen.

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[chatpilot]

You can't win against the theist mentality, it does not matter how much science advances, religion will never go away. An example is that when someone states how medicine has benefited society and doctors are so knowledgeable about the human body and how to cure it, a theist will say some stupid shit like "it was God that gave man the knowledge or the capacity to obtain such knowledge."

Religion in general is a permanent fixture, if anything instead of going away it will just change form but there will always be those that will be driven to it no matter how stupid or silly its teachings and ideas.

[ScienceIsTheOnlyLord]

but also - and this is perhaps the greatest irony of all human existence - the better the medicine gets, the more people survive, the world becomes overpopulated and global warming kills us all. bless the humans.

[jason56]

Atheists often consider themselves to be the rational ones and for many reasons this is true. But just like any other grouping of human thought they are not immune to the insanities of the human mind.

It's all very well believing there's no God, it's a highly rational outlook. But to then go on a mission, spending all your waking hours arguing God's non-existence, in an attempt to enlighten the world into your viewpoint, is daft.

Throughout all recorded human history, religion has played a part. Why would you then think that this will ever change?

Darwin taught us that we are animals like the rest. No other animal can change its nature through thought and effort, so then why us?

Richard Dawkins states at the end of the selfish gene that 'We, alone on earth, can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish replicators'. What is this based on? Nothing but faith. Where is the evidence?

Schopenhauer - surely the most realistic of all the philosophers - told as that 'we can do what we will, but we cannot will what we will'. Unlike Dawkins, he truly understood the message of Darwin. Many billions of people have an unconscious will to believe in the supernatural, many others believe in science in an equally supernatural way (the quest for eternal life, for example, will never happen, but many atheists still believe that one day they'll be resurrected forever - never gonna happen).

Religion has always been with us and always will. It is insane and ignorant of the realities of darwinism to try and change this. Tolerance and understanding of the failings of human logic (i.e. religion) is the wisest state of mind. Everything else is just pie-in-the-sky talk.

Accept. Tolerate. The world will never be united in a single philosophy. And thank god for that (figure of speech).

Does anyone really believe religion will one day die out? If not, give up trying to convert people, and begin trying to understand them.

The same animal that questioned the universe and invented God, is the same animal that is now questioning God. That should be reason enough.

You can't stop the evolution of the human mind and you can't compare it to any other animal.

Poverty, hardship, lack of understanding and lack of choice is what keeps religious thinking going. All of which we should aim to reduce as an ever more caring and evolving being, right?

Because logically, God was fatally wounded the day he was invented.

He never stood a chance.

[theVOID]

"The cure for mortality will also be the cure for religion." - Me.

"Nonsensical, morality is not an ailment" - Me.

[lrh9]

mortality

morality

Dumbass.