New Trek show...

[Ravenshire]

I just refuse to put any money in the pockets of CBS after the way they treated ST fans on the Star Trek forums.

I don't know this story (though I am unsurprised to hear CBS treated fans badly).  Please share.

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Here's the sad thing.  Stewart has talked about how moved he has been to hear how TNG was so inspiring and uplifting for so many things.  They guy seems like a legit good person, one of the decent human beings of the world.  I'm sure he also likes a regular paycheck, but I feel like he's going back because he felt useful there, like he was making a difference in peoples lives.

But since CBS is paywalling it, it's pointless.  It won't get the viewership the old shows got.  What a serious bummer.

Oh, it'll get the viewers all right. Many of them just won't show up in CBS All Access' memberships numbers.

[The Valkyrie]

When was he brilliant as an actor?   Both the range and subtlety of his portrayals i’ve seen are Shatnerian.

Unlike brilliant actors, in whose portrayals you always see the character and not the actor, in his there is all actor and no character.

When Anthony Hopkins portray Nixon, Stephens, Adams or Hannibal, neither Hopkins nor any of those others are there except the particular character being portrayed.  And that particular character is all there.

With the film Nixon the historic Nixon was jarring to see in new footages appended at the end of the movie, because the historic Nixon looked physically nothing like Hopkin’s Nixon, so convincingly did Hopkins make you believe you’ve seen in his protrayal the real intimate Nixon.  

But when steward portrays anyone else I’ve seen, it takes effort to recall what is there is not suppose to be Steward channeling Picard.

Next thing you'll be telling me is that what follows isn't the greatest song ever:

Best song ever produced!

Smeghead!

[I_am_not_mafia]

Patrick Stewart fucking rocks. So does Discovery. Face it. Any time a popular franchise like Star Trek or Star Wars has too many spin offs people always expect the worst because they compare it to what they enjoyed in the past when it was novel. They don't judge the new series on its own merits, only that it isn't X. I remember TNG having some really duff holodeck episodes but people don't remember those. Or Wesley Crusher.

[Aroura]

Patrick Stewart fucking rocks. So does Discovery. Face it. Any time a popular franchise like Star Trek or Star Wars has too many spin offs people always expect the worst because they compare it to what they enjoyed in the past when it was novel. They don't judge the new series on its own merits, only that it isn't X. I remember TNG having some really duff holodeck episodes but people don't remember those. Or Wesley Crusher.

Totally agree.

OMG, TNG was bad, like really BAD for the first season, and part of the second.  And it continued to have occasional outright bad episodes.  I'm glad it survived those rough times to mature into the great show it became!

I was just thinking how I'm glad that Wil Wheaton is still so well liked.  Sometimes playing a character that ends up being so hated can ruin an actor, and people start hating the actor.  Wheaton seems like such a genuinely nerdy and interesting person.  I'd totally be up to see him reprise Wesley as an adult!

[I_am_not_mafia]

I also found Deep Space Nine's first season to be yawn inducing. I actually gave up on it and didn't watch it again until after the last season when I had met my husband and he convinced me to give it a try. I found it OK and it took me a while to get involved in the characters, like three seasons.

Whereas I found Voyager to be consistently good (except for that evolution episode) but by that time fans had started to criticise anything new. I much prefer Janeway to Kirk. I actually think that she's more of a mentalist than Kirk and frequently tries to blow the ship up until she gets her own way. Kirk just walks around oozing privilege, throwing racial slurs at his science officer and teaming up with Bones to create a hostile work environment.

What I loved about Discovery was that the characters had far more depth. They swore. They failed. They had their own individual lives, drives and insecurities. I thought the opening music sucked though.

[GUBU]

I also found Deep Space Nine's first season to be yawn inducing. I actually gave up on it and didn't watch it again until after the last season when I had met my husband and he convinced me to give it a try. I found it OK and it took me a while to get involved in the characters, like three seasons.

Whereas I found Voyager to be consistently good (except for that evolution episode) but by that time fans had started to criticise anything new. I much prefer Janeway to Kirk. I actually think that she's more of a mentalist than Kirk and frequently tries to blow the ship up until she gets her own way. Kirk just walks around oozing privilege, throwing racial slurs at his science officer and teaming up with Bones to create a hostile work environment.

What I loved about Discovery was that the characters had far more depth. They swore. They failed. They had their own individual lives, drives and insecurities. I thought the opening music sucked though.

The problem with Voyager was that it was nothing new. It was TNG Season 8 when TNG had been wrapped up because the showrunners realised they'd run out of usable ideas. This didn't change until Seven was introduced and by that stage the staff had gotten so lazy they went with running her into the ground.

Any show that needs to beak credibility to keep its premise past the pilot doesn't deserve this. Not alone did Voyager commit this wrong, it then ditched that premise five episodes later.

[I_am_not_mafia]

The problem with Voyager was that it was nothing new.  It was TNG Season 8 when TNG had been wrapped up because the showrunners realised they'd run out of usable ideas.  This didn't change until Seven was introduced and by that stage the staff had gotten so lazy they went with running her into the ground.

Any show that needs to beak credibility to keep its premise past the pilot doesn't deserve this.  Not alone did Voyager commit this wrong, it then ditched that premise five episodes later.

I don't actually know what you are referring to. I just checked on wikipedia and there wasn't a season 8.

[Lucanus]

It will be on Netflix in Italy.

I have friends at the embassy if you need a visa

[Aroura]

I also found Deep Space Nine's first season to be yawn inducing. I actually gave up on it and didn't watch it again until after the last season when I had met my husband and he convinced me to give it a try. I found it OK and it took me a while to get involved in the characters, like three seasons.

Whereas I found Voyager to be consistently good (except for that evolution episode) but by that time fans had started to criticise anything new. I much prefer Janeway to Kirk. I actually think that she's more of a mentalist than Kirk and frequently tries to blow the ship up until she gets her own way. Kirk just walks around oozing privilege, throwing racial slurs at his science officer and teaming up with Bones to create a hostile work environment.

What I loved about Discovery was that the characters had far more depth. They swore. They failed. They had their own individual lives, drives and insecurities. I thought the opening music sucked though.

Same here.  I never really got into DS9 (though I did enjoy the trouble with tribble nostalgia episode, and for some reason I kind of enjoyed Quark as a character, and the double spy tailor guy, and Odo.  That's about it.  I found most of the characters to be tedious and boring.  Kira, the doctor, Sisko, all sooooo boring (or annoying in the case of Kira).  You know that Marina Sirtis calls it Deep Sleep Nine?  lol.  

But I really enjoyed Voyager (although I hear working with Kate Mulgrew was difficult for many of the younger actors), and watched it every week.  I think the episode where the Q wants to commit suicide is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes in any of the series.

I will honestly admit I only watched the first episode of Discovery.  I didn't hate it, but I couldn't find time to, um, find a working copy if you catch my drift, so I just didn't bother.  For Patrick Stewart, I may bother.

[Anomalocaris]

I also found Deep Space Nine's first season to be yawn inducing. I actually gave up on it and didn't watch it again until after the last season when I had met my husband and he convinced me to give it a try. I found it OK and it took me a while to get involved in the characters, like three seasons.

Whereas I found Voyager to be consistently good (except for that evolution episode) but by that time fans had started to criticise anything new. I much prefer Janeway to Kirk. I actually think that she's more of a mentalist than Kirk and frequently tries to blow the ship up until she gets her own way. Kirk just walks around oozing privilege, throwing racial slurs at his science officer and teaming up with Bones to create a hostile work environment.

What I loved about Discovery was that the characters had far more depth. They swore. They failed. They had their own individual lives, drives and insecurities. I thought the opening music sucked though.

The Kirk dude gave up his firstborn (his conquests find him insufferable too, but they still want to have his baby) to bring spock’s Katra back to the temple of vestal virgins on Vulcan.  If that’s not unplumbable depth I don’t what is.