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The NEW 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible
23rd January 2011, 08:42
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(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  Let me know when you can tell me about this "flawed, double standards logic." I am all ears.

Nothing can always exist but god does blah blah blah...You need a mind to create a mind except for the first mind that is gods but he's outside of these rules blah blah blah....

Anyway, even if we do except that you are right about the universe needing to have been created how do we come to the conclusion that it's a Christian god that did it and not a Hindu god or an ancient Greek god or the more likely option, a god that we have no idea of.
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23rd January 2011, 08:49
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Whats new about this shit? We've heard ramblings like this since the bronze age. You know about the bronze age right?
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23rd January 2011, 08:51
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(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  I wasn't trying to defend a creature, but the uncreated Creator is proven by the proof in the opening post you are avoiding.
Oh, I'm not avoiding anything, I just don't care to indulge in refuting something that you didn't bother to prove.
Instead, you're just make a claim with zero support of any kind from anywhere. I already read your first post, but all of it suffers from the same problem.

(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  Since you have the proof why would Jesus need to pop in front of you for you to believe in Him?
What proof?

(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  Moreover, what makes you think if Satan didn't do the same thing you would dicsern the difference? You want Him to fulfill your selfish demands, but then He would have to do that for everyone, but that would not be realistic for remember what happened last time? People like you killed him. So He is spending some time away to let mankind know they can't do it on our own. Furthermore, He said when He returns we will all know it, so for Him to return just for selfish you after 2000 years would contradict what He said. It would seem to me then whatever pops in front of you you will accept as Jesus but that contradicts Jesus, so aren't you admitting you worship the Devil?
I can't worship, demand something from, hate, or expect a return of someone who doesn't exist. This is your fantasy, not mine and you have not demonstrated anything here, in this thread, that anything you have said about your faith is anything but.

(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  You will see Him on the news when He returns on Aug. 7, 2022.
Really? WOW!
No one has EVER predicted the return of Jesus Christ on a specific date before! Rolleyes
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23rd January 2011, 08:59
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(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  You will see Him on the news when He returns on Aug. 7, 2022. Actually, assuming you will take the mark of the beast or die with 1/3 of the people on earth (Rev. 9.18), you won't see Jesus on the news channels, but you will see Him 1000 years later when you are resurrected to the Great White Throne, judged, and thrown into the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Don't be upset by this, it's what you want deep down inside.

May I ask what you are going to do, if Jesus does not return on August 7 2022?
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23rd January 2011, 09:12
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(23rd January 2011 08:34)noselfwilling Wrote:  You will see Him on the news when He returns on Aug. 7, 2022. Actually, assuming you will take the mark of the beast or die with 1/3 of the people on earth (Rev. 9.18), you won't see Jesus on the news channels, but you will see Him 1000 years later when you are resurrected to the Great White Throne, judged, and thrown into the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Don't be upset by this, it's what you want deep down inside.

You obviously have not read my warning to you about preaching as you are now preaching hell fire and damnation. If this continues I shall put you on post moderation or possibly just ban you.

It's up to you.
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23rd January 2011, 09:16 (This post was last modified: 23rd January 2011 09:42 by noselfwilling.)
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(23rd January 2011 08:59)ziggystardust Wrote:  May I ask what you are going to do, if Jesus does not return on August 7 2022?
Cudos. That's the only intelligent comment I have heard so far here. Since you nor I nor anyone can overturn the opening post, God still exists and Jesus is still God. That fact therefore will never change even if a million or a billion years went by and He still didn't return.

Actually I will know that I am wrong for the Tribulation timeline far sooner than Aug. 7, 2022 because the Temple has to be completed by the 220th day from the start of the Tribulation and the Tribulation starts Sept. 14, 2015. Sept. 14 also the day of the first rapture (Rev. 7.9). April 20, 2016 is the 220th day of the Tribulation and falls within the 4 day inspection of the lamb and red heifer for the NEW Temple on April 18, 19, 20, 21. Then Passover is on April 22, 2016 to dedicate the Temple. That leaves 2300 (Dan. 8.14) days from April 21, 2016 to Aug. 7, 2022.

At the very latest they would need to break ground for the Temple by the year 2014 so if they haven't done so by 2014 I know Jesus will not return by Aug. 7, 2022 but sometime later because it is doubtful they could get the Temple built in time then.

How quickly do you think they could build the Temple?

I still believe the Tetrad is the key revelation of it all for the return of Jesus. Since the next Total Lunar Tetrad is 2582/82 I would revert to the 7 year Tribulation at that time. It certainly would make many of the visions in Revelation more easily fittable. Imagine the technology in the 26th century.

The position I currently take is that the Bible says Jesus will return in a short while after Israel becomes a nation again. 2022 - 1948 = 74 years.

Over 600 years doesn't seem reasonable, but it is feasible because imagine Israel in the next 500 years gaining more and more land even to the Euphrates River. Israel would truly be a threat then.

But also consider the mark of the beast to buy and sell. Would it really take 500 years to get that implemented? 3986 BC to 2015 is 120 Jubilees, the 120th Jubilee. Apparently Adam (the first God-conscious soul) was born 4004 BC so he would be 18 years old in 3886 BC given the age of accountability.

Verichip which is now bought out I understand says over 2000 Americans today have the chip implant under their skin.

And I am not clear on the law passed but by 2017 I am told it should be universally used.

Also since Rev. 6.12 in addition to the H3 long-dated Solar Eclipse and Total Lunar Tetrad has an earthquake before these events, it could refer to Haitian earthquake, the 5th worst disaster in history, or there could be another earthquake in the world.

My confidence would greatly increase if 1) the US Dollar Index dropped below 50 before 2014; 2) Islam attack Israel with thousands of rockets before 2014; 3) an earthquake that is considered one of the top 5 disasters of all time before 2014.

http://biblocality.com/forums/content.ph...15-to-2022
But I can say the more I have researched the more I am convined. For example, 2582/83 has no Hybrid Solar Eclipse near it.

For example, put yourself in my shoes. There I am noticing the Tetrads and the 8th is 2014/15. I say to myself the Tribulation is 2,520 days so just blindly I will hope I get a Jewish holiday on the 2,520 day from Feast of Trumpets, and not any holiday, and low and behold I do.

It's Tisha B'Av. Amazing!

Actually it fell on the Av 10, Aug. 7, 2022 which is not Tisha B'Av normally. Av 9 is normally Tisha B'Av. But wikipedia page says that whenever Tisha B'Av is held on a Saturday, they commemorate the destruction of the 1st and 2nd Temple on Sunday instead.

Neat eh? There's more. The 1335th day is 75 days from the 1260th day. I need a signifcant date for this to work out or the whole thing is blown.

75 days more is is Oct. 21, 2022 after all 7 feasts are done. Tabernacles is from Oct. 10 to 16. I am 5 days off.

But get this. There are two Jewish holidays 17 & 18, the second is called Simchat Torah. That's when they bring the items out of the Ark of the Covenant and read the Torah Scrolls.

Applying a 4 day inspection rule again, that's Oct. 18, 19, 20, 21. Perfect.

But I had a new problem.

Revelation 6.12 also says there a unique solar eclipse in front of the Tetrad. It feels like I am throwing a hail mary at this point for how could I get luck again? Or is this divine providence?

I check the NASA website and guess what I find, the ratest of solar eclipses called a hybrid and not only that, but the rarest kind of hybrid and not only that but a long dated which is even rarer. It's right where I need it to be Nov. 3, 2013.

An earthquake goes in front of that, so it could be the Haitian earthquake which would fit, but there could be another even more devestating.

Either way we are good to go. The most important thing that is a must is the Temple needs to begin construction no later than 2014.

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23rd January 2011, 09:44
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RE: The NEW 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible
Dear Nose.

I have no doubt someone just taught you, and may I say you've memorised them very well. However,in fact,your proofs are some centuries old and have been refuted ad infinitum et ad nauseum. (and that's just on this forum.

You have demonstrated that you have yet to grasp the meaning of the word 'evidence',just for a kick off..

I'll only bother with one of your claims; " Nothing comes from nothing." There are two problems of which I'm aware

(1) That is a simple ,unambiguous principle. To then equivocate by claiming "except God" is a logical fallacy called "special pleading" and it invalidates the claim.

(2) Currently, physicists of the calibre of Stephen Hawking are arguing that something can,must and does come from nothing. I don't understand the physics.However,it would be ignorant and foolish of me to dismiss the claim with an appeal to incredulity

I make no truth claims. I simply assert that in my opinion you have not proven your case.

My basic position:Please show me some evidence in support of your claim,or stop wasting my time and fuck off.
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Quote:Special pleading is a form of spurious argumentation where a position in a dispute introduces favorable details or excludes unfavorable details by alleging a need to apply additional considerations without proper criticism of these considerations themselves. Essentially, this involves someone attempting to cite something as an exemption to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exemption.

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23rd January 2011, 09:56 (This post was last modified: 23rd January 2011 10:03 by noselfwilling.)
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I almost forgot to mention that the H3-Tetrad combo 2013-15 is the first since Christ. Amazing!
(23rd January 2011 09:44)padraic Wrote:  (1) That is a simple ,unambiguous principle. To then equivocate by claiming "except God" is a logical fallacy called "special pleading" and it invalidates the claim.
That's not the claim being made. Try to understand. Since it is proven something can't come from nothing in nature, then nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time an space. And this is whom we call the uncreated Creator or God. That which is uncreated by definition can't have a cause. It always existed.

I realize the proof is repetitive, but it's perfect so it shall be repeated forever. As you repetitively avoid the truth, what can the truth bearer do but repeat in hopes you eventually deal with it.

Quote:(2) Currently, physicists of the calibre of Stephen Hawking are arguing that something can,must and does come from nothing. I don't understand the physics.However,it would be ignorant and foolish of me to dismiss the claim with an appeal to incredulity
I disagree. He says the singularity needs a cause in his latest book. Kraus on the other hand is a quak and a laughing stock in the scientific community.

p.s. good thing your opinion doesn't matter.
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23rd January 2011, 11:37
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(23rd January 2011 09:16)noselfwilling Wrote:  If you have a $100,000,000, you know what to do with it now.

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23rd January 2011, 12:21 (This post was last modified: 23rd January 2011 12:26 by padraic.)
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Banned already? For preaching?

Yeah,but he was pretty loopy. I suspect there wouldn't be much point recommending a good shrink?
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