Islam slave trade

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Updated Apostles' Creed  (from Not the Nine O'clock News)

I believe in God, the Father Almighty.
Or at least it stands to reason there has to be
Some sort of Greater Power, you know -
Like electricity sort of thing.

And in Jesus Christ, who was obviously a fantastic bloke.
And it's been proved historically,
That he actually did exist around that time
Actually.

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost and born of the Virgin Mary.
No, don't laugh - it could happen.
After all, they can do it in a test tube these days.
I mean, that proves it, doesn't it?

On the third day, he rose again from the dead,
A sort of reincarnation if you like.
Did you see that programme on BBC2?
Very convincing.

I believe in the Holy Ghost, telepathy, flying saucers, black magic,
There must be something in astrology
The Loch Ness monster, the Abominable Snowman, the Surrey panther,
Copper bracelets for rheumatism, levitation, water divining, poltergeists, and the Life Everlasting.

That is, if the bloody Russians don't invade Poland. Amen.

Boru

[EgoDeath]

LOL! that's fucking great. I wonder who, specifically, wrote that? It's funny.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

LOL! that's fucking great. I wonder who, specifically, wrote that? It's funny.

Hard to say.  Not The Nine O'clock News was an ensemble show, but - given the tone - I'd say Rowan Atkinson had a large hand in it.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

All the slaves sold to Europeans on the West African coast were the prisoners of Africans.

Untrue.
Europeans (primarily the Portuguese, British, and Dutch) did conduct slave raids along the West African coast; Especially in the early phases of the of the TST.

The military-level missions led by Europeans did have some success, but again it was the Africans who enabled these.

In regards to the captives who were sold to slavers by African middlemen--Africans did not subscribe to  the notion of a homogeneous "African" or "Black" ethnicity--No reason why they would considering the sheer amount of ethnicity/genetic diversity among people living on the continent. That's a box Eurocentrists invented and tossed them all of them in.

Worth noting, when running with the "they sold themselves" narrative. For the most part, leaders and merchants were selling and trading captives/POWs they regarded as foreign; Not subjects of their own tribes/kingdoms.

The slave trade: the History of the Atlantic slave trade 1440-1870 by Hugh Thomas, is a good read on this.

[EgoDeath]

The dirty truth about the TST is that no one involved was innocent. White guilt & other far-leftist bullshit tells us we're suppose to feel guilty about slavery in America because we're white, or European, or whatever else, but the fact is, Africans of different ethnicities were just as guilty as anyone else for, sometimes, trading their own people, or other Africans that they saw as "below" them.

Africa is an insanely huge and diverse continent... so, as Thomas states, there's no real reason that Africans from, say, Ghana, would see themselves as the same as Egyptians. I agree that that's a more modern, or at least Euro-centrist concept.

The fact that Africans took part in the slave trade doesn't make Europeans or Americans any less guilty, but it's a good fact to keep in mind. Hell, even the Native Americans kept slaves - and were enslaved too.

Slavery is fucked up. But humans have taken part in this for thousands upon thousands of years... if not, longer. It's certainly not a European invention. LOL. Then again, no one worth listening to is suggesting that it is.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Same with cannibalism. Everybody did it at some point.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

All the slaves sold to Europeans on the West African coast were the prisoners of Africans.

Untrue.
Europeans (primarily the Portuguese, British, and Dutch) did conduct slave raids along the West African coast; Especially in the early phases of the of the TST.

In regards to the captives who were sold to slavers by African middlemen--Africans did not subscribe to  the notion of a homogeneous "African" or "Black" ethnicity--No reason why they would considering the sheer amount of ethnicity/genetic diversity among people living on the continent. That's a box Eurocentrists invented and tossed them all of them in.

Worth noting, when running with the "they sold themselves" narrative. For the most part, leaders and merchants were selling and trading captives/POWs they regarded as foreign; Not subjects of their own tribes/kingdoms.

Actually, it is true.  Read again what GS wrote:

All the slaves sold to Europeans on the West African coast were the prisoners of Africans.

(emphasis mine) 

Not 'procured', not 'acquired'...but 'sold'. The number of slaves taken in raids pales in comparison to the number sold by Africans to Europeans. 

The doesn't change anything, though.  Treating human beings as property is heinous on both ends of the transaction.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Same with cannibalism. Everybody did it at some point.

Stop peeking in my windows.  What I have for lunch is my own business.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Same with cannibalism. Everybody did it at some point.

Stop peeking in my windows.  Who I have for lunch is my own business.

Boru

[WinterHold]

Yes; they did. They defeated the mongols and ended their rein of terror.

You stubbornly repeating a lie doesnt make it true. Whishful thinking doesnt work, as well as stomping your feet, but who am i talking to? A man who has an invisible friend.
So, how did the Mamluks achieve anything else than to stop the mongol expansion into Egypt?
How comes the mongol empire increased in size for 30 more years and existed for more than 100 more years, before it collapsed due to internal subdivision, because it became too big?
Did or did not Hulegu take most mongol troops with him (iirc 4/5 tumens) before the battle, so that the mamluks fought only 20% of the mongol troops originally assigned to conquer the Levant and Egypt? What happened between Baibars and Qutuz after Ain Jalut, please tell us? Who was Qutuz´slave master? A christian, or a muslim mamluk himself? Wow, the muslim mamluks slave kings who had muslim mamluk slaves?! Shocking!  Who was Baibars´ slave master? A christian or an muslim Ayyubid emir? Wow, Ayyubids, also muslims having muslim slaves.

christian culture, and i am able to admit its wrong doings. Why cant you? What makes you so special that we should absolve you and Islam of for all its atrocities? You know why, its because you still dont want to throw off the shackles of your vile rel...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk_Sultanate_(Cairo)

While Mamluks were purchased, their status was above ordinary slaves, who were not allowed to carry weapons or perform certain tasks. Mamluks were considered to be "true lords", with social status above citizens of Egypt. Though it declined towards the end of its existence, at its height the sultanate represented the zenith of medieval Egyptian and Levantine political, economic, and cultural glory in the Islamic Golden Age.[15]

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All the slaves sold to Europeans on the West African coast were the prisoners of Africans.

Untrue.
Europeans (primarily the Portuguese, British, and Dutch) did conduct slave raids along the West African coast; Especially in the early phases of the of the TST.

In regards to the captives who were sold to slavers by African middlemen--Africans did not subscribe to  the notion of a homogeneous "African" or "Black" ethnicity--No reason why they would considering the sheer amount of ethnicity/genetic diversity among people living on the continent. That's a box Eurocentrists invented and tossed them all of them in.

Worth noting, when running with the "they sold themselves" narrative. For the most part, leaders and merchants were selling and trading captives/POWs they regarded as foreign; Not subjects of their own tribes/kingdoms.

The "they sold themselves" narrative is used to mask one's own acts; or Tu Quoque argument:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

One of the arts of bellydancing in debates and discussion; like saying "why care about African slaves? they brought slavery upon themselves"; very unethical if you think about it.

The word is this: white people gave humanity a permanent headache via the invention of atomic bombs, enslaving Africa and massacring north and south America.