[Serious] G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons

[The Grand Nudger]

People can never seem to make up their minds about interventionism. I guess that it's probably a little bit confusing to feel like you constantly require your invaders help, and that they have a moral obligation to give it.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

People can never seem to make up their minds about interventionism.  I guess that it's probably a little bit confusing to feel like you constantly require your invaders help, and that they have a moral obligation to give it.

I think invaders have a morally responsibility to address the problems they caused, but the widespread subjugation of women in the Muslim world isn’t a problem caused by the West.

Boru

[Deesse23]

People can never seem to make up their minds about interventionism.  I guess that it's probably a little bit confusing to feel like you constantly require your invaders help, and that they have a moral obligation to give it.

I think invaders have a morally responsibility to address the problems they caused, but the widespread subjugation of women in the Muslim world isn’t a problem caused by the West.

Boru

Neither is religious extremism / fanaticism in general. Misogyny is only one aspect. Although foreign governments more often than not are supporting such groups (like the Saud family, Bin Laden as long as he was fighting the Russians), its not "the west" who creates those extremists. They are already there. People like Atlass are well advised to consider why this phenomenon is so widespread in the Arab world, and not just start with "its *the west* and now im going to look for reasons why its *the west*".

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think invaders have a morally responsibility to address the problems they caused, but the widespread subjugation of women in the Muslim world isn’t a problem caused by the West.

Boru

Neither is religious extremism / fanaticism in general. Misogyny is only one aspect. Although foreign governments more often than not are supporting such groups (like the Saud family, Bin Laden as long as he was fighting the Russians), its not "the west" who creates those extremists. They are already there. People like Atlass are well advised to consider why this phenomenon is so widespread in the Arab world, and not just start with "its *the west* and now im going to look for reasons why its *the west*".

I agree that misogyny is one aspect of a much, MUCH wider issue, but the topic was specifically about women imprisoned and tortured for the unconscionable crime of wanting to be treated like human beings.

I can tell Muslims the source of their problems, but they won't like the answer. 

Boru

[Deesse23]

Neither is religious extremism / fanaticism in general. Misogyny is only one aspect. Although foreign governments more often than not are supporting such groups (like the Saud family, Bin Laden as long as he was fighting the Russians), its not "the west" who creates those extremists. They are already there. People like Atlass are well advised to consider why this phenomenon is so widespread in the Arab world, and not just start with "its *the west* and now im going to look for reasons why its *the west*".

I agree that misogyny is one aspect of a much, MUCH wider issue, but the topic was specifically about women imprisoned and tortured for the unconscionable crime of wanting to be treated like human beings.

I can Muslims the source of their problems, but they won't like the answer. 

Boru

Absolutely.

I seriously doubt that any "westerner" went to Saudi Arabia and told them to treat their women like shit. Someone maybe has supported such an idiot.
But that misogynist ass was already there. How comes that people think its ok to treat women like shit, that its actually requested to treat them like shit, that a god, no less, is ordering this and "no, we treat them like men" is no option?: 

Its religion based on ancient texts that more often than not are ambiguous  at best. Its the lack of a proper method to figure out ethics. "God said so, because *pulls ancient text" certainly isnt such a method.

People like Atlass will never understand why the point is not if their interpretation of the text is *correct* or not, but using a mere text "god said so" is bollocks, regadless of what their god allegedly said.

[WinterHold]

The OP speaks about:

G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...story.html

Let's discuss that.
For other topics like misogyny, you can open a separate topic.

Here we discuss the G-20 and what it should do in the face of Saudi governmental targeting of activists, especially female ones.
Please respect the [serious] tag.

Thank you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The OP speaks about:

G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...story.html

Let's discuss that.
For other topics like misogyny, you can open a separate topic.

Here we discuss the G-20 and what it should do in the face of Saudi governmental targeting of activists, especially female ones.
Please respect the [serious] tag.

Thank you.

Very well. What do you think the G20 should do?

Boru

[WinterHold]

Very well. What do you think the G20 should do?

Boru

As suggested in the link I provided in the OP:

Hathloul, and the regime, know that her death might finally awaken the consciences of the G-20 leaders, and spoil the summit. It shouldn’t take that. Macron, Merkel, Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and others who don’t share Trump’s love for dictators could accomplish far more than the summit will by setting a simple condition for their attendance: the freedom of Loujain al-Hathloul and her fellow women activists.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Very well. What do you think the G20 should do?

Boru

As suggested in the link I provided in the OP:

Hathloul, and the regime, know that her death might finally awaken the consciences of the G-20 leaders, and spoil the summit. It shouldn’t take that. Macron, Merkel, Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and others who don’t share Trump’s love for dictators could accomplish far more than the summit will by setting a simple condition for their attendance: the freedom of Loujain al-Hathloul and her fellow women activists.

How is the G20 not meeting going to get those women out of prison? I think you and the author of that article are overestimating the clout of a G20 summit.

Boru

[Deesse23]

The OP speaks about:

G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...story.html

Let's discuss that.
For other topics like misogyny, you can open a separate topic.

Here we discuss the G-20 and what it should do in the face of Saudi governmental targeting of activists, especially female ones.
Please respect the [serious] tag.

Thank you.

Misogyny is not on topic? Whats the reason for womens rights activists feeling the need to be active anyway? Racism?

When saudi women rights activists are rotting in Saudi prisons, its relevant to talk about the G20, and not about the women and Saudis who treated them so miserably?


How pathetic to use these women to yet drive your silly agenda. You really have sense of decency left.