Atheism & Bisexuality

[meowmeow]

(2nd September 2008 20:36)Eilonnwy Wrote:  

(2nd September 2008 13:51)StewartP Wrote:  Not related to atheism per se, but an article in the Spectator by Matthew Parris (who is gay and atheist) about the appeal of lesbian porn to hetero men:

Notes towards an explanation of why straight men like watching lesbians

Did you know that similarly women can be turned on by gay men? In Japan there's a market for Yaoi (MxM) marketed to women. There's also Hentai (MxF) and Yuri (FxF)

yes!!! I like yaoi! (girl speaking)

this is a good example: in Japan where sexuality is pretty liberal (as long as there’s discretion) homosexual fantasies have always been portrayed in popular culture (manga, books...) for all the audience!

[Samson]

I would say there is no link between the two...However, just as stated before, an Atheist is more likely to be more open about his feelings or thoughts when it comes to looks, sexual feelings, etc. towards both sexes compared to a theist.

I am attracted to women and always have been, but I can tell the difference between an ugly man and a handsome one. (If that makes any sense to you all)....

I don't believe it makes a man gay for showing affection in friendship to a man (A hug, kiss on the cheek etc), or even telling his best friend that he loves him as a brother. Call it the feminine side of a man or whatever, but I believe it's more healthy to show your love for your fellow male friend than not.

Now of course that's only if your best friend felt the same....lolol... I can just imagine me going up to some of my male friends I have and giving him a kiss on the cheek and telling him I love him for who he is as my friend..... I'm sure I would leave with a black eye or two, and be less one friend...OLOLOL

[LonePiper]

I frequent an asexual website, and there seems to be a distinctly large population of atheists there too.
I wonder what that means?

[Samson]

(1st July 2009 05:54)LonePiper Wrote:  I frequent an asexual website, and there seems to be a distinctly large population of atheists there too.
I wonder what that means?

That they are missing out.....LOL

[padraic]

(1st July 2009 05:54)LonePiper Wrote:  I frequent an asexual website, and there seems to be a distinctly large population of atheists there too.
I wonder what that means?

Probably that most of them are lying or deluded.

Pretty sure true asexuality is rare. My guess is that most of 'em are suppressing their sexuality.That means they will all turn into serial killers and/or molestors of sheep and domestic pets.( I mean the ones who have not already done so)



Addendum:


Just had a look on Wiki:

Quote:Asexuality is a sexual orientation describing individuals who do not experience sexual attraction[1][2] or do not have interest in or desire for sex.[3] Sometimes, it is considered a lack of a sexual orientation.[4] One commonly cited study placed the incidence rate of asexuality at 1%.[5]

Asexuality is distinct from celibacy, which is the deliberate abstention from sexual activity. Some asexuals do have sex.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality

[LonePiper]

With all due respect, most of them are not lying or deluded.
Yes it is rare. In your post you mentioned that approximately 1% of the population, according to some sources, is asexual
According to you, what is "true" asexuality supposed to be?
The message board I go to just defines it as "lacking sexual attraction". It doesn't strictly mean being for all intents and purposes an android. Some of these people have romantic relationships and attractions to other people based on things besides sex. Others don't even have a romantic drive. Some consider themselves "demisexual" - a kind of grey area. etc. etc.
And really, when it comes down to it, why should it be perfrectly acceptable to believe someone is sexually attracted to the opposite sex, the same sex, or both sexes, but somehow preposterous to believe they are attracted to neither?

[Purple Rabbit]

I agree LonePiper.

And I will add that it is impossible to suppress desires that are not experienced (~ "do not experience sexual attraction[1][2] or do not have interest in or desire for sex") as Padraic suggests. The accusation that therefore they all must turn into serial killers is plain sick and reminds me of pre gay liberation reasoning.

[padraic]

Quote:And I will add that it is impossible to suppress desires that are not experienced (~ "do not experience sexual attraction[1][2] or do not have interest in or desire for sex") as Padraic suggests. The accusation that therefore they all must turn into serial killers is plain sick and reminds me of pre gay liberation reasoning.

Oh for goodness sake,my post was only half serious,in that I was doubting that all the members of such a forum were asexual within the meaning of lacking sexual desire.

OF COURSE I don't know for a fact.I'm quite aware as a general principle I was using argument from personal incredulity,a logical fallacy.

As for saying they'll all going to become serial killers,that's called "hyperbole" (gross exaggeration) a form of humour,or a normal advertising technique.

THAT point was that sexual desire may not be simply suppressed long term without some consequences. Another, arguably healthier way of dealing is called SUBLIMATION.

That you don't agree,or lack the wit or knowledge to understand doesn't make an opinion 'sick' merely different.



From wiki,for your information:


REPRESSION

Quote:Sexual repression is a state in which a person is prevented from expressing their sexuality. Sexual repression is often associated with feelings of guilt or shame being associated with sexual impulses.[1] What constitutes sexual repression is subjective and can vary greatly between cultures and moral systems.

Sigmund Freud was the first to use the term widely, and argued that it was one of the roots of many problems in western society.[2] Freud believed that people's naturally strong instincts toward sexuality were repressed by people in order to meet the constraints imposed on them by civilized life. However, Freud's ideas about sexual repression have not been without their critics. According to sex therapist Bernard Apfelbaum, Freud did not base his belief in universal innate, natural sexuality on the strength of sexual desire he saw in people, but rather on it's weakness. He saw that many people simply were not interested in sex, but rather than accepting this reality that some people are simply not interested in sex, he chose to reject the reality he observed in favor of a view that they were intensely interested but were repressing it.[3]

Some researchers have hypothesized a relationship between sexual repression and rape. However, they have been unable to find any support for this hypothesis, which may be in part due to the fact that sexual repression is extremely difficult to measure.[4]

Sexual repression is viewed a key problem in nearly all forms of feminism, especially radical feminism.[5]

SUBLIMATION

Quote:Sexual sublimation, also known as sexual transmutation, is the attempt among some religious traditions to transform sexual energy into creativity, thereby facilitating a mystical awakening.

In psychology, sublimation is the transference of sexual energy, or libido, into a physical act or a different emotion in order to avoid confrontation with the sexual urge. It is based on the belief that sexual energy, the creative function of the human being, can be used to create a spiritual nature instead of being let out in hopes of creating physically or sensually.[1][2][3]

The term itself means to transform the crude sexual energy into a carrier of spiritual essence. Different schools that describe this energy as vital energy, vital winds (prana), spiritual energy, ojas, shakti, tummo, or kundalini.[4][5][6]

[Purple Rabbit]

(4th July 2009 09:30)padraic Wrote:  

Quote:And I will add that it is impossible to suppress desires that are not experienced (~ "do not experience sexual attraction[1][2] or do not have interest in or desire for sex") as Padraic suggests. The accusation that therefore they all must turn into serial killers is plain sick and reminds me of pre gay liberation reasoning.

Oh for goodness sake,my post was only half serious,in that I was doubting that all the members of such a forum were asexual within the meaning of lacking sexual desire.

Then why not say what you really think? And why take offense if you were not being serious? Good to hear though that you don't mean it.

padraic Wrote:As for saying they'll all going to become serial killers,that's called "hyperbole" (gross exaggeration) a form of humour,or a normal advertising technique.

Then it's a pitty you did not recognize hyperbole in my reaction.

padraic Wrote:That you don't agree,or lack the wit or knowledge to understand doesn't make an opinion 'sick' merely different.

The ad hominem signals some form of distress you are experiencing. Why so, when It was all a hilarious joke on your part?

padraic Wrote:From wiki,for your information:

There's Wiki over here also, thank you!

padraic Wrote:The term itself means to transform the crude sexual energy into a carrier of spiritual essence. Different schools that describe this energy as vital energy, vital winds (prana), spiritual energy, ojas, shakti, tummo, or kundalini.[4][5][6]

Is this crap on Wiki too?