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Sam · March 16, 2011 at 3:44 pm

So, I'm not sure how many of us will be aware of the varied and creative proposals being suggested by various groups regarding "Geoengineering".

In short, Geoengineering is the intentional, large scale manipulation of the climate system with the overall aim of balancing or counteracting global warming.

Obviously, such intervention is likely to be take unilaterally but will of course be multilateral in scale.

Following from the climate change thread I was wondering what peoples opinions of it might be?

Sam

**theVOID** · March 16, 2011 at 3:55 pm

Not unless we're all going to die otherwise, the risks are too great.

**leo-rcc** · March 16, 2011 at 4:04 pm

What does this Geoengineering consist of exactly?

**Minimalist** · March 16, 2011 at 4:16 pm

Unless the corporate criminals running the oil companies can make a killing off of it, it will never happen.

**theVOID** · March 16, 2011 at 4:21 pm

One idea is chucking a shitload of sulfur into the upper atmosphere to block radiation from the sun and cool the planet...

Anomalocaris · March 16, 2011 at 4:47 pm

Geoengineering is happening now, just not necessarily purposefully. Anthropogenic GHG induced climate change is unwitting geoengineering, as is large scale water diversion projects like the Aral sea. Urbanization by paving over more reflective land with more absorbant asphalts and rooftops is also geoengineering.

I think in the long run intentional large scale thorough geoengineering Geoengineering of Mars and possibly Venus is unavoidable if humanity is to survive. And pretty large scale geoengineering of earth will also likely be highly desirable and extend far beyond merely countering or counterbalancing some modest undesired climate trends of either natural or anthropogenic origin. The Amongst the possible geoengineering solutions for earth are:

1. Seeding the ocean with large but practical quantities of iron oxide to spur plankton growth and CO2 absorption

2. Cloud seeding to increase reflectivity

3. Painting rooftops white

4. Large scale intentional transfers of plant life to non-native habitats

Some more long term projects might involve:

1. Earthquake fault lubrication

2. Orbital thin film reflectors

~~Welsh cake~~ · March 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm

How the hell are we supposed to deliberately manipulate the Earth's climate?

Its no different than terraforming in that its way beyond humanity's technological capabilities.

**theVOID** · (This post was last modified: March 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm by theVOID.)

(March 16, 2011 at 4:47 pm)Chuck Wrote: Geoengineering is happening now, just not necessarily purposefully. Anthropogenic GHG induced climate change is unwitting geoengineering, as is large scale water diversion projects like the Aral sea. Urbanization by paving over more reflective land with more absorbant asphalts and rooftops is also geoengineering.

It is only considered Geoengineering if the intent is to change the climate, much the same as material engineering requires intent to create a product, if I throw plastic and wool into a fire and they melt together I'm not a material engineer.

(March 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: How the hell are we supposed to deliberately manipulate the Earth's climate?

Its no different than terraforming in that its way beyond humanity's technological capabilities.

We could put tons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere, that is well within our capabilities and would impact the atmosphere. The limitation is not in performing the action but knowing the long term consequences.

Anomalocaris · (This post was last modified: March 16, 2011 at 6:35 pm by Anomalocaris.)

(March 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: How the hell are we supposed to deliberately manipulate the Earth's climate?

Its no different than terraforming in that its way beyond humanity's technological capabilities.

We manipulate the earth's climate by altering the visible light reflection properties of the surface and the infra-red absorption properties of the atmosphere.

(March 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm)theVOID Wrote: It is only considered Geoengineering if the intent is to change the climate, much the same as material engineering requires intent to create a product, if I throw plastic and wool into a fire and they melt together I'm not a material engineer.

No, but I suspect civilizations with potential take inadvertant consequence as inspiration for engineering, civilization moribund looks at inadvertant consequences with horror and avoids anything that could ever be remotely connected to it.

**theVOID** · March 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm

I agree but that doesn't make the inspiration the engineering.

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