christians give up trying to know.

[OnlyNatural]

Christianity deals with reality and not fantasy. People do suffer, and that's a fact.

The reality is > people suffer. You disagree with this?

Suffering is still a reality, no matter what religion you're into. I guess Christianity just offers one way to make sense of it, to find meaning in it. But I just don't see why we must ascribe meaning to it. Shit happens. No one's behind it, and there is no greater purpose to it. All you can do is pick up the pieces and move on with your life.

[Itslikebeingshiton]

Why does suffering have to occur in anything?

you tell me. I already gave my answer.(and it is 100% wrong since you tie it to faith)

What reality has Christianity brought to this world? Prove it. You can't, but I am sure you are going to find some way of tying your validation to your religion and this "faith" thing that is simply a cop-out since you have run out of factual answers.

What the Fuck are you talking about? The reality is > people suffer. You disagree with this?(I think someone is reaching a bit here...)
In your fantasy a God makes it all better unconditionally. In my faith he doesn't. Period. I'm content with the reality of that. You apparently have a problem(yes I will always have a problem with those who choose faith over reality)

It seems that you enjoy making up your own story as you go along. I'm sure you have fans that think you are witty and charming. However, anyone with an IQ in triple digits (which may or may not include yourself) can understand this post and what I presented for discussion. It is impossible for you to understand reason. You simply can't accept that you have no validation in this conversation since you continue to spout your delusional responses in favor of your "faith". The burden of proof is on the believer since you have to validate what it is you believe in beyond simply a hunch.

Have fun rearranging my words to make it look like you have a point. Its an old, outdated, practice of flaming on discussion forums that I chose to feed into since I had a few minutes of time to kill. And enjoy your faith. I'm going to have a big steak during lent, and probably have a few shots of whiskey since it is Sunday ("god's day" lol). I might even go to church just so I can fart during a sermon...

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[fr0d0]

You assume too much fella. I don't excuse suffering with faith. But if it makes you feel better Like I said, I'm a realist. Your fantastical delusions here suggest you're not quite in touch with reality.

But don't run away...
What exactly do I claim that I have to validate?

[Zenith]

Evolution doesn't go forwards and backwards. There's no way to devolve.

Actually, it does: as technology advances, people get more stupid (by not being required to think that much anymore). Have you watched the "Idiocracy" movie? I think that's possible.

[Ace Otana]

Christianity deals with reality and not fantasy.

Science deals with reality not religion you silly!

[Skipper]

What about the reasoning to live in an area where disaster has a very good chance of occurring?

Well an all knowing and loving god would have known people would choose to live there, so he could have created an earth that didn't have natural disasters to randomly kill innocent men, women and children and ruin their lives. But he didn't, he created something he KNEW would kill people and cause untold suffering. So people are all supposed to live in the very few areas on earth where natural disasters are rare? (I don't know anywhere on earth that has NEVER had some form of huge disaster at some point). Wouldn't that cause mass over crowding? Wouldn't that cause more suffering? So do we humans really have a choice?

Then why aspire to an unattainable fantasy instead of appreciating reality? Christianity deals with reality and not fantasy. People do suffer, and that's a fact.

lol. Just lol.

Deals with reality? Despite having ZERO evidence for ANY of it's claims of how and why the universe started, works and exists. Fuck off, reality my arse!

[reverendjeremiah]

Like I said, I'm a realist. Your fantastical delusions here suggest you're not quite in touch with reality.

LMFAO - fr0d0 is on a roll. This is great comedy

[sun]

Every time I get into a religious debate with a christian it always ends up going to the same place. Its the place where they give up trying to find fact and settle for opinion, a.k.a "faith" instead. Usually its the point when I ask them about the horrible things that happen to innocent human beings on a daily basis. Their answer is always "Its god's will". I translate that as "I don't know and I don't care."
So someone could have their entire family die randomly to freak accidents and that person is supposed to chalk that up to "god's will" and just move on? Common sense would suggest that now is the time you stop going to church and praying to a god that took so much from you. So you lose your career job only months from retirement and are forced to work at a convenience store at age 60 and that is part ot god's plan? And we can't leave out the situation in Japan. What did they do? How come we have things like cancer and babies born with mutations and people like Dr. Phil? For as much support this so-called "god" is getting, that supposed entity is sure not doing a very good job of taking care of its fans.

I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.

[Ubermensch]

Evolution doesn't go forwards and backwards. There's no way to devolve.

Actually, it does: as technology advances, people get more stupid (by not being required to think that much anymore). Have you watched the "Idiocracy" movie? I think that's possible.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how evolution works. And yes I have seen idiocracy. Finally, the rapid advancement of technology will lead to people becoming far more intelligent rather than less intelligent.

[ozgoat]

I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.

I agree entirely! I wouldn't even bother to debate Christianity with a Christian. If they want to believe the nonsense then it's their choice. If they want nonsense to guide their life, this one and the next(lol!) then again that's their choice.

I take the natural stance that we are all born as atheists. I was born an atheist and I will die an atheist. If we become anything else after we are born then that is due to other human influence. There is no way that manmade gods can say to us "Here I am, I'm real!" and that's all they are, invented and designed by humans, all in the name of power, wealth and a way of softening life's natural reality for those who are unable to cope with the realities of life on planet earth.