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Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
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Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.
You're right when you talk about yourself, and you're wrong when you talk about others.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
What on earth are you talking about?

As to your original question: I don't know about everyone else, but when I'm shagging my woman I always yell out to God. Wink
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:17 pm)Tiberius Wrote: What on earth are you talking about?

As to your original question: I don't know about everyone else, but when I'm shagging my woman I always yell out to God. Wink

Maybe god is your alter ego! and woman is......!!!!!
You're right when you talk about yourself, and you're wrong when you talk about others.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm)sun Wrote: I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.
Ok so what I think you are saying is that: you would argue for atheism on different grounds. That is an accepatble position, but that does not mean to say there is no merit in exploring arguments from religious confusion and scriptural inerrancy. So do you have a reason as to why these arguments are inferior, other than you don't like them?
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:35 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote:
(March 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm)sun Wrote: I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.
Ok so what I think you are saying is that: you would argue for atheism on different grounds. That is an accepatble position, but that does not mean to say there is no merit in exploring arguments from religious confusion and scriptural inerrancy. So do you have a reason as to why these arguments are inferior, other than you don't like them?

To be an atheist is to accept things as they are and not to dwell in fantasy. Religious scholars have to explain why those who strive succeed and not those who pray? A farmer who strives will succeed, a pirate who strives will succeed, a land grabber who strives will succeed, but if you go to the beach and start praying to god you will not succeed.
You're right when you talk about yourself, and you're wrong when you talk about others.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
Quote:but if you go to the beach and start praying to god you will not succeed.


Unless you pray for a sun burn.

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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:43 pm)sun Wrote: To be an atheist is to accept things as they are and not to dwell in fantasy. Religious scholars have to explain why those who strive succeed and not those who pray? A farmer who strives will succeed, a pirate who strives will succeed, a land grabber who strives will succeed, but if you go to the beach and start praying to god you will not succeed.
To be an atheist is to reject theism on either grounds of: there is no god or there is no reason to believe that there is a god; nothing more/less. It says nothing about whether atheists are fantasists or not, there are some atheists for example who believe in ID (except it is design without a god). There are many arguments which support atheism, some (but not all/most) directly involving engaging with theism on its own turf. I see no reason to accept your argument, although I personally believe the strongest arguments for atheism are those which involve evidence from outside of theology.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm)sun Wrote: I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.

What have you been smoking?

I don't justify atheism through religious doctrines, I justify atheism by way of epistemology, there is no way to obtain justification for theistic beliefs so to believe in some form of theism is irrational - If that is the case then Atheism (being without belief in god) is the only position worth holding.

What is wrong with using a theists beliefs to refute their position? They are often self-defeating, pointing that out to refute their position is perfectly reasonable.

And what the hell do you mean by 'Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with'? What is an example of where an atheist invoking God to justify their position?

It seems to me you have no idea of what you're talking about, but feel free to show me wrong.
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:43 pm)sun Wrote: To be an atheist is to accept things as they are and not to dwell in fantasy. Religious scholars have to explain why those who strive succeed and not those who pray? A farmer who strives will succeed, a pirate who strives will succeed, a land grabber who strives will succeed, but if you go to the beach and start praying to god you will not succeed.

An atheist is having no belief in an higher being/god. I don't know where you pulled out "not to dwell in fantasy".
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RE: Can atheists live without mentioning god, religion and the likes?
(March 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm)sun Wrote: I am sick and tired of atheists justifying atheism through religious doctrines, words, and cock-and-bull stories. How can I consider you an atheist when you are using manmade religion as a means of explaining your position or refuting a theist’s position? Many atheists explain things by means of whatever religion they were brought up with; e.g. they invoke the bible, god, and ones religious history or background when justifying their point of view. If god is fake then all that is related to god is false.

What the hell are you on about????

We use religion to refute religion, not to justify atheism, which is simply an absence of belief(in a god or gods) and requires no more justification than a lack of belief in Russel's teapot.

As to attacking religion and other ridiculous beliefs such as homeopathy and creationism?

I do it because I enjoy it.
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