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New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2023 at 2:04 pm by Leonardo17.)
This was a main event that was treated in the news today. A Neo-Nazi idiot called Rasmus Paludan burned the Quran in front of the Turkish Embassy in Sweden. Sweden seems to think it’s a liberty of expression, I rather think it’s a hate crime.
Proof: Another video he posted some 9 months ago that I will share here:
Other element: These events are usually followed by some mass protests in other parts of the world + some religious show of force + the burning of Swedish flags etc.
I don’t think this should be our main issue either. An imbecil with a certificate is not the main issue of Muslims around the world. I think our main issues should be things that are closely related to our ability to understand the original message like human rights, modernization, women’s rights, secularism, freedom of choice in terms of religion, tolerance, education, ability to create artistic / scientific / literary works, being more than a terror and oil exporting region of the world, the adoption of democratic, individualistic, libertarian, 21st century values. These should be our issues. Currently Turkey is the only democratic and secular Muslim majority country in the world and all of its “Muslim” neighbors are trying to Islamize Turkey. So as always, I believe that our own issues are always much more important and require much deeper actions than the shouting of slogans or the burning of Swedish flags. But I am still sharing the video just to demonstrate that this is a hate crime and not a simple usage of the freedom of expression.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 2:19 pm
(January 24, 2023 at 2:04 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: This was a main event that was treated in the news today. A Neo-Nazi idiot called Rasmus Paludan burned the Quran in front of the Turkish Embassy in Sweden. Sweden seems to think it’s a liberty of expression, I rather think it’s a hate crime.
Proof: Another video he posted some 9 months ago that I will share here:
Other element: These events are usually followed by some mass protests in other parts of the world + some religious show of force + the burning of Swedish flags etc.
I don’t think this should be our main issue either. An imbecil with a certificate is not the main issue of Muslims around the world. I think our main issues should be things that are closely related to our ability to understand the original message like human rights, modernization, women’s rights, secularism, freedom of choice in terms of religion, tolerance, education, ability to create artistic / scientific / literary works, being more than a terror and oil exporting region of the world, the adoption of democratic, individualistic, libertarian, 21st century values. These should be our issues. Currently Turkey is the only democratic and secular Muslim majority country in the world and all of its “Muslim” neighbors are trying to Islamize Turkey. So as always, I believe that our own issues are always much more important and require much deeper actions than the shouting of slogans or the burning of Swedish flags. But I am still sharing the video just to demonstrate that this is a hate crime and not a simple usage of the freedom of expression.
Burning a book - any book - is not a hate crime. It’s stupid, childish, and spiteful, but not a hate crime.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 3:05 pm
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 3:11 pm
It's just a book, lots of others around, nothing has been lost.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 4:04 pm
Where in the Original Message™ does it say that burning magic book is double-plus ungood?
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 6:31 pm
(January 24, 2023 at 3:05 pm)brewer Wrote: I pulled all of the tape out of dad's CW Mccall 8-track.
I think that comes under the heading of a public service.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 6:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2023 at 6:56 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 24, 2023 at 2:04 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: This was a main event that was treated in the news today. A Neo-Nazi idiot called Rasmus Paludan burned the Quran in front of the Turkish Embassy in Sweden. Sweden seems to think it’s a liberty of expression, I rather think it’s a hate crime.
Proof: Another video he posted some 9 months ago that I will share here:
Other element: These events are usually followed by some mass protests in other parts of the world + some religious show of force + the burning of Swedish flags etc.
I don’t think this should be our main issue either. An imbecil with a certificate is not the main issue of Muslims around the world. I think our main issues should be things that are closely related to our ability to understand the original message like human rights, modernization, women’s rights, secularism, freedom of choice in terms of religion, tolerance, education, ability to create artistic / scientific / literary works, being more than a terror and oil exporting region of the world, the adoption of democratic, individualistic, libertarian, 21st century values. These should be our issues. Currently Turkey is the only democratic and secular Muslim majority country in the world and all of its “Muslim” neighbors are trying to Islamize Turkey. So as always, I believe that our own issues are always much more important and require much deeper actions than the shouting of slogans or the burning of Swedish flags. But I am still sharing the video just to demonstrate that this is a hate crime and not a simple usage of the freedom of expression.
If burning the Koran is a hate crime, then I might argue preaching a monotheistic self-aggrandizing religion like Islam is also a hate crime. The Koran didn’t get to where it is today by not vigorously inciting the destruction of other people’s holy texts everywhere Islam went for the last 1400 years.
Where are most of the native creeds and religions and holy texts in places where islam rules supreme today? Where they went, Islam and Koran can also be made to go.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 24, 2023 at 7:31 pm
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(January 24, 2023 at 6:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 24, 2023 at 3:05 pm)brewer Wrote: I pulled all of the tape out of dad's CW Mccall 8-track.
I think that comes under the heading of a public service.
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 25, 2023 at 8:58 am
(January 24, 2023 at 2:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 24, 2023 at 2:04 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: This was a main event that was treated in the news today. A Neo-Nazi idiot called Rasmus Paludan burned the Quran in front of the Turkish Embassy in Sweden. Sweden seems to think it’s a liberty of expression, I rather think it’s a hate crime.
Proof: Another video he posted some 9 months ago that I will share here:
Other element: These events are usually followed by some mass protests in other parts of the world + some religious show of force + the burning of Swedish flags etc.
I don’t think this should be our main issue either. An imbecil with a certificate is not the main issue of Muslims around the world. I think our main issues should be things that are closely related to our ability to understand the original message like human rights, modernization, women’s rights, secularism, freedom of choice in terms of religion, tolerance, education, ability to create artistic / scientific / literary works, being more than a terror and oil exporting region of the world, the adoption of democratic, individualistic, libertarian, 21st century values. These should be our issues. Currently Turkey is the only democratic and secular Muslim majority country in the world and all of its “Muslim” neighbors are trying to Islamize Turkey. So as always, I believe that our own issues are always much more important and require much deeper actions than the shouting of slogans or the burning of Swedish flags. But I am still sharing the video just to demonstrate that this is a hate crime and not a simple usage of the freedom of expression.
Burning a book - any book - is not a hate crime. It’s stupid, childish, and spiteful, but not a hate crime.
Boru
Yes. And That’s what the Swedish Government is saying. And they are right, you may be not liking a book, a book being a physical object you have the right to burn it. That’s their law.
But look at his face: This is a Hitler loving / Muslim hating psychopath. That’s what he is doing. So I reserve the right to call him a SoB. And that’s my freedom of expression. 
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RE: New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran
January 25, 2023 at 9:06 am
(January 24, 2023 at 4:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Where in the Original Message™ does it say that burning magic book is double-plus ungood?
No. But in the whole region around here you’ve had a lot of show of force. Women with headscarves (how could we do without them), burning of Swedish flags, bearded idiots shouting İslamist slogans (just three month before the general elections in Turkey. What a coincidence?) etc. just typical ego-responses and more enmity between human beings as if this is exactly what we need.
I see myself as above this kind of people. They are not really my problem. That’s why I created this topic. But he is still what he is. There are many Muslims in Europe who do feel offended by that. So I personally really don’t like what he did. I see it as a purely racist motivated action.
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