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Just When You Thought Arizona Couldn't Get Stupider...
10th April 2011, 02:01
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(10th April 2011 01:43)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Of course I support modern weapons, including fully automatic weapons without special permits or laws.

Ok. I miss-understood ya. My bad.

I'm with you on the no restrictions for weaponry. If I can afford a damn M1A1 Abrams then I should be allowed to have one.
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10th April 2011, 02:26
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So you think people with mental illnesses(specific ones where guns in their hand would be dangerous) should be allowed?
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10th April 2011, 03:26
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I think we were talking about people who got arrested and paid their debt to society.

Mental basket cases, I would say No guns for them.
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10th April 2011, 03:27 (This post was last modified: 10th April 2011 04:03 by reverendjeremiah.)
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(10th April 2011 02:01)Dotard Wrote:  
(10th April 2011 01:43)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Of course I support modern weapons, including fully automatic weapons without special permits or laws.

Ok. I miss-understood ya. My bad.

I'm with you on the no restrictions for weaponry. If I can afford a damn M1A1 Abrams then I should be allowed to have one.

Thats cool man..LOL..like I said, I am used to the quick judgemenst on my second amendment laws. I just want to emphasise that the arms available during the creation of the second amendment is OBVIOUSLY what the framers were writing about, and CONNOT be removed fro the populace for ANY reason (except for incarceration, obviously, or special areas of security)

Honestly. I should be able to walk out side in public with a musket on my side and NOT be harrased by the police.

That tells you how much our second amendment has been gutted..and I HATE that!

I also think modern arms were also in that vision..but what I am saying is that bare minimum, it CANNOT be argued against those weapons available during the drafting of the second amendment..as in, there is NO QUESTION about those weapons being what they meant as "arms".
(10th April 2011 02:26)Ashendant Wrote:  So you think people with mental illnesses(specific ones where guns in their hand would be dangerous) should be allowed?

Very good question. I have put much thought into this.

The first thing I wold ask is; "what kind of mental illness?"

The second thing I would ask is; "When was it diagnosed?"

The third thing I would ask is; "What is the infected (for the sake of argument) doing about his or her treatment?"

Of course if the person was ADHD (a mental illness) I would flat out deny taking their right from them. If they were schizo, or bi-polar, or other extreme illnesses I would expect the patient to be counseled by a court in which he would be told that he either give his weapons to a trusted relative, or put them in stow with the local government (at no cost to them) until such time as they are deemed "cured". This will not be a criminal case, and such judgements will not appear on his criminal record as long as this is followed. The court will retain its benevolence in such matters, and take the health of the patient with the SAME RESPONSIBILITY as the health of society.

So, we can screen them as far as we can without treading on their rights. Benevolence is the key.

But if someone doesnt go to a doctor, and has a problem and buys guns..how can we stop them? Give them psych exams before they purchase a weapon?

Now that question I am not sure of. Should we give a psych exam for each purchase of a weapon?
(10th April 2011 03:26)Dotard Wrote:  I think we were talking about people who got arrested and paid their debt to society.

Mental basket cases, I would say No guns for them.

Yes. That is EXACTLY what I was saying.

Mental basket cases I just covered.

Maybe we should take this over to the "guns" poll on this thread:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-6080.html
and if you havent voted already, then do so and state why.

And yes, you should be able to legally buy a fully functional, fully loaded tank in my opinion.
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10th April 2011, 04:22
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Quote:Yeah. Riiiight. Everyone is an idiot or stupid in the world according to Min.

Then stop being an idiot, Dote. If you're walking down the street and you hear shots the only person who knows what is going on at that moment is the shooter. My bet is that most rational people will duck for cover. If you have a gun you might well pull it out and.... and.... what? Go looking for the gunman?

Wave a gun around in that situation and about the best you can hope for is to end up kissing the pavement with some cop's knee in your back and gun at your head while he cuffs you as HE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. In that situation the cop is not about to take your word for it that you weren't the original shooter.

This is nothing but wild-west shit brought to you by the fucking hollywood cowboys we have out here.
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10th April 2011, 07:42
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Quote:Mental basket cases, I would say No guns for them.

Oh I say,how progressive of you. That would remove around 90% of all firearms in the hands of private US citizens.

An ex grunt,the very thought of most civilians with ANY kind of firearm scares the shit out of me---they are so fucking STOOPID!!!!

Yes I'm acutely aware the average gun owning American thinks I'm a pinko Commie bastard who wants to take away their right to shoot people in the head for stealing their parking space or not standing for the national anthem.--and that's yet another reason I'm so fucking grateful I live 12,000 miles away from such people.Cool Shades
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10th April 2011, 10:53 (This post was last modified: 10th April 2011 10:55 by Zen Badger.)
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Imagine if you will a shopping mall in an average Arizona town one fine day.

Of course, everyone is armed under the new legislation( including all the christian rightwing rednecks)

All of a sudden someone pulls out his gun and shoots someone else,or shoots into the ceiling( or even just lets off a loud bang)

Then everyone else whips out their guns( they have to don't they?) and shoots the instigator.

Just remembering that most people are only average shots and not level headed in a crisis.

So there will be bystanders that get shot, and, having guns will shoot back.

I see a scenario similar to the mousetrap and ping pong ball trick that demonstrates chain reactions.

By the time the cops DO arrive they won't have a lot to do.

And before you dismiss this scenario I have seen similar situations happen.
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11th April 2011, 03:05 (This post was last modified: 11th April 2011 03:14 by Dotard.)
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(10th April 2011 04:22)Minimalist Wrote:  Then stop being an idiot, Dote.


Fuck you Min. You think EVERYONE is an idiot judging from your posts and topic titles.

Quote:My bet is that most rational people will duck for cover. If you have a gun you might well pull it out and.... and.... what? Go looking for the gunman?

Yes and I would too. You just assume everyone will go all 'cowboy' and wave a gun around looking to be the hero. I would duck for cover, pull out my gun and IF the shooter came my way or I saw the shooter aiming at another person THEN I would go all cowboy and get to blasting. Once one of us were taken out I'd stow the gun, or lay there and die, and wait for the cops. WTF are you thinking? Shots ring out and Johnny Law is there on the spot within 2-4 seconds? I'll take my chances of having my face planted in the dirt with a cops knee in my back rather than take my chances with a gunman walking towards me and me with nothing but my hat to fight back with. YOU fuckin defend yourself with your hat if you see fit. I'll take my gun.


Quote:This is nothing but wild-west shit brought to you by the fucking hollywood cowboys we have out here.

If you feel so strongly about it then keep carrying your hat to protect yourself with. Leave me and my gun alone. Again, they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

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(10th April 2011 07:42)padraic Wrote:  Oh I say,how progressive of you. That would remove around 90% of all firearms in the hands of private US citizens.

90% of citizens are mental basket cases?

Quote:An ex grunt, the very thought of most civilians with ANY kind of firearm scares the shit out of me--

YOU are scared of an armed populace because in the world according to Pad everyone is STOOPID. Good arguement there! How can anyone argue against logic so solid? And WTF does being an ex-grunt have to do with anything? I'm one also but it has no bearing on the discussion at hand. Who the fuck cares?

Quote:...wants to take away their right to shoot people in the head for stealing their parking space or not standing for the national anthem.--

Look you commie pinko bastard, we don't want you to take away our means of DEFENSE, not the ability to shoot people over parking spaces and anthems. One or two isolated cases and suddenly EVERYONE is STOOPID and should have their firearms taken away.

Did you think before posting? I'm guessing not.
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11th April 2011, 03:22
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True colors Jerry? You just want everyone to do things your way.
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11th April 2011, 03:31 (This post was last modified: 11th April 2011 03:44 by Dotard.)
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Who is Jerry?

Damn, I forgot this tidbit;

Quote: ....until such time as they are deemed "cured".

These mental illnesses are never "cured". They are only controlled chemically.
Those folks should never ever be allowed firearms once diagnosed. 90% of medicated mental patients will stop taking their medications at some point thinking they are "cured" and don't need it any longer.
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