Atheist Evangelism

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, saying "liberal Christianity" is like saying "liberal racism".

I believe the term you're looking for is "economically anxious". 

Jokes aside, to be a liberal christian is to be caught between ideologies that make antithetical assertions.  You will not find socially progressive views in magic book.  Christ does not and will not respect and accept behavior and opinions different from his divine rule.  An all powerful dictatorship is as far from democracy as can be imagined.

It's not that a person cant be a liberal christian, we're good at doing things wrong...and for this much, perhaps we should be thankful.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yeah, saying "liberal Christianity" is like saying "liberal racism".

I believe the term you're looking for is "economically anxious". 

Jokes aside, to be a liberal christian is to be caught between ideologies that make antithetical assertions.  You will not find socially progressive views in magic book.  Christ does not and will not respect and accept behavior and opinions different from his divine rule.  An all powerful dictatorship is as far from democracy as can be imagined.

It's not that a person cant be a liberal christian, we're good at doing things wrong...and for this much, perhaps we should be thankful.

I've never had a problem with most of the so-called 'cherry picking Christians'. There seem to be plenty of people who only like the bits about helping the poor, feeding the hungry, etc, and reject things like the horrors of eternal damnation and divine vengeance. 

If they go down that road but continue to call themselves 'Christians' and wave the Bible about, I'm good.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

IDK. I think that latent christianism is more concerning in people who would otherwise reject shitty things and prefer to help the needy.

They're the proverbial good man in a position to be compelled by evil. They're the audience for the war prayer. Or they're lying (to themselves, to us, take your pick).

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

IDK.  I think that latent christianism is more concerning in people who would otherwise reject shitty things and prefer to help the needy.  

They're the proverbial good man in a position to be compelled by evil.  They're the audience for the war prayer.  Or they're lying (to themselves, to us, take your pick).

That proverb has always struck me as silly and useless - EVERY good man is in a position to be compelled by evil, but being in such a position doesn’t mean that the man will necessarily be compelled to do evil. Simply because someone’s religious convictions inspire them to volunteer at a soup kitchen today doesn’t mean they’re going to bomb an abortion clinic tomorrow.

I don’t much care about the motivations behind helping the needy.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

What part of society doesn't contain some false information, immorality, etc. etc,?

Being atheist does not equal perfection in actions or thoughts.

Being human makes that impossible.

What does atheism teach that is false and immoral?

Where did I say teach?

[FrustratedFool]

What does atheism teach that is false and immoral?

Where did I say teach?

My apologies.

What information is contained within atheism that is false and immoral?

[The Grand Nudger]

That proverb has always struck me as silly and useless - EVERY good man is in a position to be compelled by evil, but being in such a position doesn’t mean that the man will necessarily be compelled to do evil. Simply because someone’s religious convictions inspire them to volunteer at a soup kitchen today doesn’t mean they’re going to bomb an abortion clinic tomorrow.

I don’t much care about the motivations behind helping the needy.

Boru

Yeah, people can do bad all on their own - but the thing..I think...that bit is meant to express (like the spectacle of the congregation in twains take) is that a religious compulsion may be no more or less effective at creating good or bad outcomes, hence the preamble about good people doing good things bad people doing bad things - but it's incredibly effective at making good people think that the bad outcome -is- the good one.  

IDK, pragmatically, I'd love to be able to say that motivation doesn't matter - but the rcc is instructive in this regard, not that it would even be operative in the case of our hypothetical nominal christian who helps the needy.  They aren't motivated by any christian faith to do so, and my objections to christian motivations wouldn't apply to whatever it is that compels them to do so.

[arewethereyet]

Where did I say teach?

My apologies.

What information is contained within atheism that is false and immoral?

There is no information in atheism.  It is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods.  We don't have laws, rules, commandments, or even a Grand Poobah.

The idea of evangelizing atheism is a non-starter.

Live your life as a decent person, or not, without it needing to be due to a belief or non in some sort of deity.

[FrustratedFool]

Yes.
There's nothing in atheism except the claim to a personal lack of belief. This is neither immoral or false.

Every religion makes at least one claim that is false or immoral, in contrast. And the existence of religious ideology results in a worse world.

I'm not arguing as to whether this or that political or philosophical ideology is worse, or also contains false and immoral information, or results in harm. I'm simply saying that religion is worse than atheism because it adds false and immoral information into the world whereas atheism does not.

Atheism is therefore preferable to religion, yes?
Wouldn't the world be better if no one was religious?

[arewethereyet]

I know some wonderful people who are also religious. Their belief fills some need for them and it doesn't hurt me. At their core, they are good people. Not because or in spite of their beliefs.