Hello

[tackattack]

When min gets into grumpy old man mode you'll know for sure
I'm sure if you "provide actual evidence that your god is any more real than any of the others invented by the fertile minds of men throughout history"
min would gladly support his claims.

[Eudaimonia]

~Peace..

Thank you for answering...

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(12th May 2011 06:24)Eudaimonia Wrote:  

(12th May 2011 04:26)Abu Taj al Deen Wrote:  

(12th May 2011 04:06)Minimalist Wrote:  I'll take you at your word. So, you claim to have been a rationalist and then decided that irrationality was the way to go?

Interesting choice. As long as you don't wrap yourself in dynamite and blow up a bus it doesn't matter to me what you believe.

The opposite Minimalist. But we could be here all day going back and forth on this.

The opposite? I thought Minimalist brought up a good point. What about Islamic faith do you find more rational than atheistic reasoning?

What point did Minimalist bring up at all? One that you have pieced together in your own mind?

His point was that you went from rationality to irrationality.. You are on an atheist site and have been atheist - presumably you are aware that atheists view religious belief as irrational... Comprehension of his post did not require piecing anything together.. His point was obvious..

I think the jab was the second sentence.. I was not referring to this.. hence my next question falls from his first which is asking what about the faith you found rational..

Quote:Conclusive evidence, at the end of the day.
Any Muslim will know of the Scientific miracles of the Qur'an, that nothing in Islam goes against modern Science. Full stop. The fact that they walk hand in hand to this day, and that such things were revealed in the Qur'an 1400 years ago is just one miracle of the Qur'an.

Most atheists are also skeptics... Skeptics tend to (usually not always) analyze arguments for and against a premise prior to acceptance lest they find themselves emotionally espousing fallacies or embracing nonsense..

I'm curious if you were the kind of person who considered yourself an atheist and critically investigated Islamic claims prior to acceptance... If so, what were your sources of evidence for and against Islamic scientific claims and what evidence, logic or combination etc.. convinced you that Islamic claims were sound.. scientifically true.. or reasonable.. and if not, what kind of atheist were you? Some people claim atheism not out of rationality but out of emotional isolation.. or rejection of morality.. and they "find" religion again usually in another religion or some form of spirituality.. but in truth they never left it.. "belief"... They left the community or particular myth not irrationality or blind/unsound belief...

Quote:Take embryonic development. The big bang. The roundness of the Earth. The seperation of the seas. And that's to name very few.
Read up!

Have you ever seen pages on the internet (which are proliferate) like this one?: http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/aviji...iracle.htm

[Whirling Moat]

Peace...

Quote:His point was that you went from rationality to irrationality.. You are on an atheist site and have been atheist - presumably you are aware that atheists view religious belief as irrational... Comprehension of his post did not require piecing anything together.. His point was obvious..

What does his posting this on an Atheist site have to do with it? An irrational belief is simply one which is not founded on sound reasoning. An atheist could be someone who never reasoned disbelief at all, it could be as simple as he lacked belief because he was not indoctrinated at an early age like so many others. The idea that he went from rational to irrational is unfounded. I would imagine that Minimalist made the comment for no other purpose than to demonstrate his disapproval.

Quote:Most atheists are also skeptics... Skeptics tend to (usually not always) analyze arguments for and against a premise prior to acceptance lest they find themselves emotionally espousing fallacies or embracing nonsense..

If someone defines him/herself as a "skeptic" most likely the evidence for the existence of the object of their skepticism will typically have to be overwhelming. This means that it must pass over the 'reasonable person would accept it" bar. Atheist can be, and are typically unreasonable in this regard. There are many extraordinary claims. A claim need only be "extra" ordinary to fit this bill. Science is in the business of finding the extraordinary. When new theoretical models are proposed the standard of proof is simply the status quo, as it relates to religious claims, the standard for many atheist goes directly to admantium, impregnable conclusive evidence. Such a requirement is unreasonable...



Whirling Moat

[Eudaimonia]

I assume he can speak for himself.. Not sure why you feel the need to come in and try to address points for him..

Your point - Atheists can be irrational..

My point - Has nothing to do with yours but incidentally, should you care to extend your reading comprehension abilities,.. concedes the above in my post never the less..

[LastPoet]

Hmmm, I see you are under some flak, good, at least now you know what you are into. Good luck with that