Here come the kids...

[Kyuuketsuki]

(5th April 2009 01:28)Demonaura Wrote:  It was my understanding they wished to come to us. It seems to me now however they just go around convincing those who are uneducated on the subject and don't bother with those who ask them to back up their claims.

So age aside they did the usual theist cut & run?

Kyu

[fr0d0]

I think they did come to us yeah. I think they want to discuss in monosyllabic terms their beliefs (not wanting to be detrimental). What they got to their 50 to 100 word posts were several posts of 1000 words in reply. The response was wholly innapropriate, and not geared to the recipient.

[Kyuuketsuki]

(5th April 2009 10:48)fr0d0 Wrote:  I think they did come to us yeah. I think they want to discuss in monosyllabic terms their beliefs (not wanting to be detrimental). What they got to their 50 to 100 word posts were several posts of 1000 words in reply. The response was wholly innapropriate, and not geared to the recipient.

Possibly though if that logic followed through in all discussion stroke debate you'd get, "Evolution isn't true", "Oh yes it is" and so on ... it is a lot easier to claim something without real justification than it is to defend against the assertion.

Kyu

[Tiberius]

(5th April 2009 10:48)fr0d0 Wrote:  I think they did come to us yeah. I think they want to discuss in monosyllabic terms their beliefs (not wanting to be detrimental). What they got to their 50 to 100 word posts were several posts of 1000 words in reply. The response was wholly innapropriate, and not geared to the recipient.

If they hadn't made such idiotic claims then perhaps we wouldn't have been forced to write so much in response. I felt like I had to teach them rudimentary biology in order for them to understand what we were talking about. They clearly don't know how to debate, and clearly don't know anything about the subject they preach about.

[Kyuuketsuki]

(5th April 2009 16:55)Tiberius Wrote:  If they hadn't made such idiotic claims then perhaps we wouldn't have been forced to write so much in response. I felt like I had to teach them rudimentary biology in order for them to understand what we were talking about. They clearly don't know how to debate, and clearly don't know anything about the subject they preach about.

Exactly so ... that's why just about every degree course in the country spends the first year bringing all their students up to an equal level of relevant education. With fundies (and even some more mainstream theists) it's worse ... they don't even have some of the basic science education to get them up to speed.

Kyu

[Demonaura]

On top of that they made several points in the form of tiny sentences full of flaws and assumptions. Thus we had to reply with multiple points simply to explain the foundation of what we were saying. a short question may not have a short answer, you can have a quick answer OR a good one.

[fr0d0]

Yes ok, points had to be answered. I'm wondering if they thought the opposition would be more at their ill informed level. Shame would be if they went away feeling that they weren't talking to equals, and would try again elsewhere having not moved on at all in their understanding.

[bozo]

A question that's been bothering me...are those pictures supposed to be the " kids " taking part?

[Demonaura]

I can see what you are saying, and at some level at least I'm with ya. They probably will have a hard time finding anyone who can explain it in simple enough terms, I know I tried to keep it in mind but, it's not easy for such a subject. Particularly when one is clearly set in their ways (and mostly ignorant of the opposition), it seemed to me they expected us to either blow them away with things they can't understand or have a revelation and become creationists.

Unfortunately I think you are probably right with your last bit, they will likely move on without really learning anything, expecting everything to be delivered and explained by charasmatic people who use the right kinds of words to make people trust and beleive in them, all posted to AnswersInGenesis.com.

And we will -at least in their minds- be classed as those who for some reason cannot see god's love and become frightened when challenged so we throw piles of science no person could possibly understand.

But, we do understand these piles of science, a simple world is a creationists world not the reality we have come to love so very much.

[Tiberius]

(5th April 2009 22:16)bozo Wrote:  A question that's been bothering me...are those pictures supposed to be the " kids " taking part?

I'm not entirely sure. I mean, why would they just get pictures of random children to use? Then again, they are creationists. They are known for their deceptive tactics...