Interesting article on proposed energy policies.

[The Grand Nudger]

HMN?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

The death toll was just so terrible.

[Epimethean]

"It might be statistically, but when a nuke plant goes boom you know about it. For a 100 years after too due to radiation."


Compare that to health concerns from mining, processing and burning fossil fuels as well as contamination due to leaks. Nukes don't lose there and there are well over 100 years of use to show the effects fossil fuels have.

[Napoléon]

"It might be statistically, but when a nuke plant goes boom you know about it. For a 100 years after too due to radiation."


Compare that to health concerns from mining, processing and burning fossil fuels as well as contamination due to leaks. Nukes don't lose there and there are well over 100 years of use to show the effects fossil fuels have.

That's true

Can't deny that nuclear disasters in the past have had pretty huge consequences though. Nukes at the end of the day cause MASSIVE destruction. But i'm with you, fossil fuels and the like are probably just as bad.

[Autumnlicious]

Right. so you're a nuclear engineer now. The dude worked in the industry, both for the NRC and in the military.

Bullshit meter pegged, Moros. Statistically, nuke power is safer than oil will ever be.

Oh go fuck yourself, Epi.

I never said anything of the kind.

Statistics state it is safe, I agreed with that. However, I note that there is actual seepage of plutonium into the environment during Fukushima. And the containment vessels were cracked and releasing radioactive material. And that they were dumping water from above in a vain attempt to cool it down, flushing that material out to sea. And this is in a country that prides itself on being meticulous and careful.

Also, when did I fucking say that the scientists were hiding information? Oh wait, I fucking didn't.

I said the industry, which involves more than just the scientists or your individual friend, like the businessmen, PR specialists and the like, and you fucking know that.

Verdict:
I've stated my reasons, all you fucking did was "I have a friend who teaches...".

You never confronted my points.

[Cinjin]

Can't deny that nuclear disasters in the past have had pretty huge consequences though. Nukes at the end of the day cause MASSIVE destruction. But i'm with you, fossil fuels and the like are probably just as bad.

Both options suck. Until someone thinks up something better. We don't have whole hell-of-a-lot of choice in the matter.

What we should be doing is pushing massive research in renewable energy instead of wasting time and money on whether gays should get married or if some religious turd is overly offended at their kid's fucking high school graduation.

[Epimethean]

Testy little fucker, aren't you, Moros. When I said I had a friend in the industry, it was to suggest that the industry has honest people who are very much about getting the realities out to people. That man not only instructs grad students regarding nuclear physics, he still works in the industry. Who gives a fuck about your weak argument that the business side is into subterfuge and occlusion: Since when has ANY power industry been transparent regarding best practices and where the money yields to sense.

[Autumnlicious]

When I said I had a friend in the industry, it was to suggest that the industry has honest people who are very much about getting the realities out to people. p

Holy shit, an obvious assertion. Nice going, dingus.

That man not only instructs grad students regarding nuclear physics, he still works in the industry. Who gives a fuck about your weak argument that the business side is into subterfuge and occlusion:

REF: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ances.html
REF: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-23/world...s=PM:WORLD
REF: http://www.politicususa.com/en/rachel-ma...-nuclear-2
REF: http://boingboing.net/2011/03/14/so-cali...san-o.html

I am glad you have such a strong argument, Mr. Appeal to Authority.

Since when has ANY power industry been transparent regarding best practices and where the money yields to sense.

That is besides the point and you know it. I'm criticizing Nuclear Industry, as in the context offered so far. I have not discussed coal, wind, whatever.

I think if anyone is being disingenuous here, it's you.

[Napoléon]

Here we go...

[Epimethean]

Don't think so. The nuclear industry has been no more or less obtuse than oil, coal or natural gas. If we operate on your assertion, we sit on our hands to maintain the status quo of energy production until such a time as the industry is honest enough to disclose every detail of its safety standards at every turn, which none of those industries do, for the very reason of not causing public uncertainty and panic.

You contend, with support, that the nuclear industry is more cloak and dagger than other power industries with much longer histories. This is a ridiculous argument, and on sheer grounds of safety standards, the nuclear industry stands head and shoulders above the fossil fuel counterparts. Suggesting something along the lines of "but if something bad goes wrong, we know they'll cover it up and lie" when the industry's track record is as safe as it has priven to be is guilty until proven innocent.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf06.html
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/doc...tpriority/
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/ener...-fukushima
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/...wind-solar

Here's one that nods to your contention the industry doesn't do itself justice in PR, but ...

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read...power-safe

I bet you wanted blood when Toyota had the temerity to suggest that driver error was more to blame for unintended acceleration than was any electrical failing, too, because, as we know, some people did crash and they were driving Toyotas when they did so.

Sorry, but your argument is so much water washing around the fact that nuclear power has it hands down over the other current major sources of power, regardless of how its industry reps fuck up by covering details up. The dearth of major incidents belies your cry of foul play, and that's as far as your argument gets. I'm all for putting more pressure on ALL power industries for better safety practices and more disclosure, but when something works, it works. Nukes are better than any other comparable power source currently available to the infrastructure we have in place. Snake oil salesmen exist in all industries, but nuclear power does what it purports to do-well, so it is worth the purchase of some bullshit.