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Human Psychosis Hidden As Religion/Christianity
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RE: Human Psychosis Hidden As Religion/Christianity
I think the belief in any supernatural God is a delusion, in the sense its a false belief and its also often held very strongly - despite the fact its completely baseless.

I don't see why Christianity would be any more delusional in particular than any other religion. Or indeed any supernatural belief.

Sure perhaps some religions are arguably crazier than others (Sam Harris makes the point that Mormonism is basically just Christianity + some really stupid ideas, so it's objectively slightly more improbable than Christianity in general).....BUT - belief in any supernatural being in the sky that is totally omnipotent and having such strong belief in him, having faith, - having such a big belief as this despite no evidence whatsoever is a delusion. Whatever supernatural God it be.

I agree with Dawkins that its a delusion as in the 'false belief' a delusional belief sense....to believe in any form of SUPERNATURAL God...

Dawkins states in TGD that he is attacking all Gods....as in all supernatural Gods. I also think that belief in a supernatural superbeing altogether is delusional....

I don't see why on earth to single out Christianity in particular (or indeed any religion....deism is still a massive claim IMO even without all the absurdities....just due to sheer improbability that is believed completely on 'faith' (no evidence whatsoever)...and say Christianity is psychosis???

I think belief in all Supernatural Gods is delusional. Some may be arguably more intuitively absurd than others. But they are all delusional because they are all false beliefs in a super being completely taken on faith without any real evidence whatsoever which wouldn't be accepted (or at least, not as much) on other matters.

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RE: Human Psychosis Hidden As Religion/Christianity
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(March 6, 2009 at 2:23 am)padraic Wrote:
(March 6, 2009 at 1:15 am)halhelmboldt Wrote: Cal,is that you? Oh,I do hope not. The "Christianity is a psychsosis" is a bit of a worry.

No. This is not "Cal" (whoever that might be).

The definition of psychosis is: Any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality is lost or highly distorted.

Further, the fundamental explanation of the fact that Christianity is nothing less than psychosis is the following:

The beauty behind a miracle of an irrational but irresistible motive for a belief or action such as religion is that it has the power to explain everything. With the acceptance of God or Satan as being the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, logic can happily and erroneously be excluded from any concern or consideration and nothing, then, is ever left to chance. The greatest excuse ever perpetuated on humanity is the accomplishment of religion to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in dilusion, however satisying and reassuring. (partially quoted from Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan).

To digress that "Christianity is a psychosis" (being a bit of a worry) certainly goes back to my furthered statement that religion {psychosis}is an irresistible motive to believe anything otherwise. There is plenty of evidence to certify beyond any doubt that Christianity and the ongoing belief in a supernatural deity within Christianity is specifically proportionate with psychosis. Once realized and accepted as fact based on demonstrated and substantiated evidence, there is no further need to feel troubled or worried that a fact is simply a fact. Instead, it is awareness, itself, which is the first step in recovering from any mental illness. Christianity is incisively, psycosis.

You did not offer anything especially useful to discuss except for an insinuated exacerbation that I might be someone you know, which I am not.


Your definition of psychosis is I think simplistic and misleading. That Christians are out of touch with reality is an opinion,not a fact. A psychosis is is often controllable ,but not normally curable.

There is no evidence of which I'm aware to show a belief in Christianity per se [or any other major religion] is a psychosis within the accepted meaning, or even a minor psychiatric disorder..

However, I concede the possibility of error will be happy to re examine my position if you can point me at some text books and some peer reviewed articles to support your theory.

Perhaps have glance at the attached link. It may help you to be begin to gain a more complete understanding of the term, which you seem to have gleaned from a very old dictionary.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis#Classification


The DSM, which is the "bible" of psychiatric diagnosis, specifically mandates that people not be diagnosed as psychotic or delusional purely for religious belief. What I find significant is that the DSM has to supply a specific exclusion for a category of behavior that otherwise meets every criterium for psychotic/delusional behavior. Religious belief, by its very nature, is extremely irrational. The best example of a "gestalt delusion" is religion.
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RE: Human Psychosis Hidden As Religion/Christianity
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. Religious belief, by its very nature, is extremely irrational. The best example of a "gestalt delusion" is religion.
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That is an opinion,not fact. "The quaint custom and irrational belief" approach to anthropology was the dominating principle anthropology in the C19th,but has not been for nearly 100 years. It certainly was not the case when I was an undergraduate.

Studies I've made of various belief systems and millennial movements have demonstrated the exact opposite of your claim.

If you're really interested perhaps have a glace at Burridge's "New Heaven New Earth".I'd also be happy to give you a reading list if you like.Without some basic knowledge and no evidence at all you're simply presenting an argument from personals incredulity or lack of imagination,both forms of argument from ignorance.

Hal is simply presenting an unintentionally hilarious argument from ignorance. The accurate diagnosis pyschosis is clearly established. There is no more debate about religion being a mental illness than there between evolution and ID (ie none) .Therefore, I have nothing further to say on this matter.
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RE: Human Psychosis Hidden As Religion/Christianity
Well, religious belief certainly does not equate with psychosis. To say that it does is at best a metaphor and at worst an expression of bigotry. I am indeed quite suspicious of atheists whose belief appears to facilitate their very strong conviction that they're superior to other people.

I do agree that all religious belief is fundamentally a delusion, and that religion on a social level does more harm than good, and I am quite willing to say so to religious believers. But as someone who is interested in engaging these people and winning them over, the last thing I would do would be to say that they personally were sick or morally deficient. It would be a lie, in any case.

I agree that there is an important sense in which all religions are equally false. Nevertheless I will agree that there is something uniquely preposterous, indeed repulsive, about the Trinity and the Christian account of the supposed Christ's life, deeds and purposes, particularly those versions that would have the bulk of humanity condemned to eternal torment in a lake of fire. The idea that the whole Cosmos was created as a backdrop to an immorality-getting game for a particular species of ape on this particular planet really stands out among the world's religions for its anthropomorphism and triviality.
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