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Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
For some reason..my posts on this thread no longer show...or at least I cant see them..can anyone else see my last two posts?
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#12
RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
(August 30, 2011 at 12:56 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I would rather be left than right wing.
I'd rather value freedom over authoritarianism. This is why I don't like the whole "right / left" scale; I prefer the Nolan chart, which plots economic policy against social policy. I'm "right-wing" in my economic views, but I'm "left-wing" in my social views. In other words, I'm a supporter of individualism over collectivism.

Quote:And calling me childish for calling a black pot a "black pot" does nothing to me except make me laugh.
Referring to decent people like myself and theVOID as "Nazis" in any way is both insulting and childish. It's the kind of response you expect from a child, not a grown-up. If you want to have a debate about politics, I'm all up for that, but I won't stand for name-calling, especially when you haven't even bothered to take the time to learn what my views actually are. I don't make assumptions about you; why do you make assumptions about us? When have assumptions ever got us anywhere productive in the world?

Quote:Now, I know you live in another country, so you obviously cant vote for them.
No, but there are Nazi groups over here, there are right-wing fascist groups over here, and I don't vote for them.

Quote:..do you root for them? Numb skulls like Paul Ryan and such? I will go out on a limb here and flat out say if you were voting in America, you would have already voted Republican WAY more times than you would have voted independent Libertarian...just like what all of the rest of American Libertarians do: Vote Tea Party.
Well then you'd be very very wrong indeed. I've never liked any of the Republican nominees, nor have I really liked any of the Democratic nominees. If you'd held me at gun point and forced me to choose between Democrat and Republican, I would have gone for the former. If you want me to choose between economic issues and social issues, I'll go with social all the time. Social issues are more important than the economy; a nation of free poor people is far better than a nation of rich slaves in my book.

Of course, I'd prefer some kind of balance, which is why last election I "supported" Bob Barr, and I'll support the Libertarian candidate in the next election. I don't flip flop; I'll stand by the party that has a manifesto which most closely resembles the Libertarian ideal, and that has consistently been the Libertarian Party.

Quote:Sure, you might think Palin is an idiot, but the chance that she might dissolve a third of our government gets your dick hard..doesnt it?
Not in the slightest. Yes, Big Government is a problem, but that's what we have to work with at the moment. You can't just suddenly decrease the size of the government and think it's not going to cause problems; these things need to take time, decades, centuries even. Let's sort out the more pressing issues at the moment; equality, the economy, etc before we start messing around with the way the government works.

So what'll it be? Will you have a decent conversation with me; find out where we disagree, without calling me names? Or are you going to continue being a child?
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
Quote:I'd rather value freedom over authoritarianism. This is why I don't like the whole "right / left" scale; I prefer the Nolan chart, which plots economic policy against social policy. I'm "right-wing" in my economic views, but I'm "left-wing" in my social views. In other words, I'm a supporter of individualism over collectivism.
But you will gladly benefit from the collective society. So let me get this strait, you enjoy prospering and profiting from the collective, but you dont want to put back into it, because you are an 'individualist"? Surely, since you are an "indvidualist", you must be living up in the mountains, producing your own food, and cloting, and electricity. You see, I dont buy that crap not for a single second. You are VERY aware that you are in the midst of a collective, but yet claim you are individualist.

If you HONESTLY believe you are individualist, and dispise the collective..then SEVER yourself from the collective right now. Surely the best way to show your support for individualism..dont you think?
Quote:Referring to decent people like myself and theVOID as "Nazis" in any way is both insulting and childish. It's the kind of response you expect from a child, not a grown-up. If you want to have a debate about politics, I'm all up for that, but I won't stand for name-calling, especially when you haven't even bothered to take the time to learn what my views actually are. I don't make assumptions about you; why do you make assumptions about us? When have assumptions ever got us anywhere productive in the world?
Oh, its not childish and I am dead serious. At first I didnt like Min posting it either, then I had MANY months to think about it. Min is VERY correct and justified is using it. American Nazi's vote right wing politics. They vote republicans. Libertarians make a BIG show about how they are a third party, but then they all send out invitations to join the teaparty and vote Republican. And of course Republicans, vote Republican. For every one libertarian that votes for Tim Pawlenty "because of his economic views..not his social views", there are dozens of racist Nazi types who vote for Tim as well as the Theocratic types. Of course, they vote for Tim because they like his economic AND social views.

So, let me guess..You think Sarah Palin is a dumb bitch..but you like her Economic views and would have gladly voted for her as vice president?

Quote:No, but there are Nazi groups over here, there are right-wing fascist groups over here, and I don't vote for them.
Stop acting so naive.. you know those fascist types are voting right wing economics just like you do. You are in the same voting group as they are, and stop trying to act like you do not know that. You know the fascists dont vote for their third party over there anymore than the libertarians vote for the libertarian party here in America. Libertarians vote Republican over here. Who do the Fascist/Nazis in your country REALLY vote for...and be honest.
Quote:Well then you'd be very very wrong indeed. I've never liked any of the Republican nominees, nor have I really liked any of the Democratic nominees. If you'd held me at gun point and forced me to choose between Democrat and Republican, I would have gone for the former. If you want me to choose between economic issues and social issues, I'll go with social all the time. Social issues are more important than the economy; a nation of free poor people is far better than a nation of rich slaves in my book.

Of course, I'd prefer some kind of balance, which is why last election I "supported" Bob Barr, and I'll support the Libertarian candidate in the next election. I don't flip flop; I'll stand by the party that has a manifesto which most closely resembles the Libertarian ideal, and that has consistently been the Libertarian Party.
So what you are telling me is that you are a VERY RARE libertarian. you are telling me that you would vote your Libertarian party here in America?

Well, you would be the only one..as the vast majority of those who claim to be libertarian in America vote Republican. They voted for Sarah Palin in the last presidential election. You are nothing more than an exception of the exception. Meaning that your voice is so small, it doesnt matter. In fact, when it comes to American Libertarianism, you arent really even a libertarian. Because "Libertarian" in America = Glen Beck and Sarah Palin voter. Dont tell me they arent "real" Libertarians. They ARE the voice of American Libertarianism...even the Libertarian Party website praises these people, and encourages their membership to attend their rallies and vote for them, join their tea parties.

Quote:So what'll it be? Will you have a decent conversation with me; find out where we disagree, without calling me names? Or are you going to continue being a child?
Are you suggesting that I am NOT currently having a decent conversation with you? American Libertarians vote in lines with Republicans and fascists/Nazis in America, and until you admit that, you will never understand and keep getting upset when it is mentioned.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
Quote:In other words, I'm a supporter of individualism over collectivism.


The Tea Baggers would kick you out on your ass, Adrian. Unfortunately, that means you can't be a libertarian over here.

You'll have to pick another name.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
(August 30, 2011 at 6:33 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: But you will gladly benefit from the collective society. So let me get this strait, you enjoy prospering and profiting from the collective, but you dont want to put back into it, because you are an 'individualist"? Surely, since you are an "indvidualist", you must be living up in the mountains, producing your own food, and cloting, and electricity. You see, I dont buy that crap not for a single second. You are VERY aware that you are in the midst of a collective, but yet claim you are individualist.
Being an individualist means I oppose collectivist interference on how I want to live my own life. It means I can do what I want, as long as it doesn't interfere with the freedoms and rights of those around me.

Being an individualist does not mean I have to shun society, nor does it mean I don't have to benefit from it or refuse to put back into it. You have a very skewed view of individualism if you think that is the case. It would be like me saying that collectivism means everyone is told what to think, and the government / society has total control over what they do.

Quote:If you HONESTLY believe you are individualist, and dispise the collective..then SEVER yourself from the collective right now. Surely the best way to show your support for individualism..dont you think?
If you honestly think putting up strawmen is a good way of going about this conversation, I think we'd best end it here. You know that is not what individualism is about, and if you honestly don't, then please go read the Wikipedia article or something before continuing.

Quote:Oh, its not childish and I am dead serious. At first I didnt like Min posting it either, then I had MANY months to think about it. Min is VERY correct and justified is using it. American Nazi's vote right wing politics. They vote republicans. Libertarians make a BIG show about how they are a third party, but then they all send out invitations to join the teaparty and vote Republican. And of course Republicans, vote Republican. For every one libertarian that votes for Tim Pawlenty "because of his economic views..not his social views", there are dozens of racist Nazi types who vote for Tim as well as the Theocratic types. Of course, they vote for Tim because they like his economic AND social views.
Only according to Wikipedia, the Libertarian Party in the US has 225,000 registered members [1], and Bob Barr managed to get over 500,000 votes in the United States Presidential Election 2008 [2]. Now I don't have the statistics on how many of those party member actually voted for their party, but I'd wager a fair amount that it was most of them. Unless you have any evidence to the contrary, I think you should retract your statement that Libertarians vote Republican.

Quote:So, let me guess..You think Sarah Palin is a dumb bitch..but you like her Economic views and would have gladly voted for her as vice president?
I've already answered that question. The answer was no. Did you eve read my post properly? I said that there have been no Republican candidates that I've supported, and that includes John McCain & Sarah Palin. In 2008 I supported Bob Barr, but like I said, if I was forced to choose between Obama and McCain, I would have voted for Obama, even now.

Quote:Stop acting so naive.. you know those fascist types are voting right wing economics just like you do. You are in the same voting group as they are, and stop trying to act like you do not know that.
I'm also in the same voting group as socialists on social issues. What is your point? Being in the same "voting group" for one issue doesn't mean you are in the same "voting group" for another issue. Things aren't black and white when it comes to politics. There are plenty of different issue to vote over.

Quote:You know the fascists dont vote for their third party over there anymore than the libertarians vote for the libertarian party here in America.
Actually the voting figures suggest that they do. The BNP got a large number of votes in the UK (not enough to win anything, but enough to know there are people who vote for them).

Quote:Libertarians vote Republican over here. Who do the Fascist/Nazis in your country REALLY vote for...and be honest.
I've already shown you that over 500,000 Libertarians voted Libertarian. Fascists and Nazis vote for Fascists and Nazis; why on earth would they vote for anyone else? You aren't making any sense.

Quote:So what you are telling me is that you are a VERY RARE libertarian. you are telling me that you would vote your Libertarian party here in America?
I'm telling you I'm a Libertarian. I vote according to Libertarian values. I don't see the point in calling yourself a Libertarian if you aren't going to vote for Libertarian values. In fact, I'd say that if you don't vote according to Libertarian values, you aren't a Libertarian in the first place. You've heard of RINOs right? Well perhaps a lot of "Libertarians" over there are LINOs.

Quote:In fact, when it comes to American Libertarianism, you arent really even a libertarian. Because "Libertarian" in America = Glen Beck and Sarah Palin voter. Dont tell me they arent "real" Libertarians. They ARE the voice of American Libertarianism...even the Libertarian Party website praises these people, and encourages their membership to attend their rallies and vote for them, join their tea parties.
But they aren't real Libertarians. This isn't some "no true Scotsman" fallacy; this is the real deal. You can't call yourself a vegetarian if you eat meat, and you can't call yourself a Libertarian if you support policies which fly in the face of Libertarianism. I know for a fact that the Libertarian Party always backs it's own members before any others; so don't try to put that one past me. If there are actual Libertarian candidates in the race, they get the full support of the Libertarian party. Lots of third parties however support candidates from other "mainstream" parties when they do not have any candidates in the race. This is so that their members can vote for the "next best" candidate, rather than wasting their vote somewhere else.

Quote:Are you suggesting that I am NOT currently having a decent conversation with you? American Libertarians vote in lines with Republicans and fascists/Nazis in America, and until you admit that, you will never understand and keep getting upset when it is mentioned.
Not when you won't accept that there is a big difference between people calling themselves "libertarian" and people actually being "libertarian". It's quite simple to understand; but I think you purposefully don't want to "get it" because you want to be able to equate libertarianism with Nazism, even though the two ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Minimalist Wrote:You'll have to pick another name.
No. We already lost the word "liberal" (which used to mean the same thing as Libertarianism). I'm not prepared to lose the word "Libertarian" because a bunch of fascists and republicans think they can hijack it to win more votes.

The word is defined in the dictionary if you want to look up what it means. The movement is defined in numerous manifestos if you want to see what we support. If a candidate doesn't support the same things we do, then they are not Libertarian, even if they say they are.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
(August 30, 2011 at 6:33 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Well, you would be the only one..as the vast majority of those who claim to be libertarian in America vote Republican. They voted for Sarah Palin in the last presidential election.

I just have to say, I'm actually a registered libertarian & I *did not* vote for McCain / Palin last election.

"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
Quote:If a candidate doesn't support the same things we do, then they are not Libertarian, even if they say they are.


Tea Baggers don't give a shit what you think.....you're just one of them fucking foreigners anyway. The Kock Brothers tell them what to do.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
(August 30, 2011 at 8:03 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: ...P.S. : If you Libertarians do not like us using the word "Republidertarianazi", then STOP voting for, and rooting for Republican and Nazi type scum.

Is there not a single fibre of your being that doesn't feel like an absolute twat every time you say that? Comparing people to one of the most horrific, genocidal tyrannies ever to exist over a political difference is beyond pathetic, it displays a level of arrogance, intellectual bankruptcy and self-righteousness that is nearly unsurpassed.

Furthermore, even at a purely conceptual level libertarianism is about as far from the national socialism practised by Hitler as any ideology can be, it's devoid entirely of the very totalitarianism, the use of state-force to further a single set of values, that defined the regime.

I'm completely sick of people here being called/associated with Nazis, it's no different to personally calling them racists/scum/bigots and from this point on I WILL be treating it like a personal attack, you or anyone else who tries it WILL have your warning level raised for it.

Oh, and the Libertarian Party HATE Ryan, your supposed "LIBERTARIAN HACK", but if you'd actually bothered to look rather than masturbating with your Nazi fantasies you would have seen that pretty clearly;

""People should not judge the quality of this Republican plan by the standard President Obama has set. Everyone knows Obama is a big spender. Democrats rarely campaign on cutting government. What this budget shows is, Republicans are hypocrites. They have no intention of cutting the federal government down to size. In 2021, Paul Ryan still wants the feds to be spending 19.9% of GDP. That's a higher percentage than during Democrat Bill Clinton's second term. In 1997, federal spending was 19.5% of GDP, and it dropped to 18.2% by 2000. Paul Ryan is worse than Bill Clinton."

http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/li...ll-clinton

Emphasis Mine.

Face it Rev, YOU have more in common with Paul Ryan and 90% of all republicans than I do.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
Quote:Comparing people to one of the most horrific, genocidal tyrannies ever to exist over a political difference is beyond pathetic


Spare me your injured psyche, VOID.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Quote:Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Want to review them one by one and see how far they vary from the republicolibertarianazi program? If you dislike being compared to them perhaps you had best find out what the fuck you are defending.
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RE: Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills
[quote='Minimalist' pid='171306' dateline='1314765761']
[quote]Comparing people to one of the most horrific, genocidal tyrannies ever to exist over a political difference is beyond pathetic[/quote]

Spare me your injured psyche, VOID.

[quote]Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.[/quote]

Not this bullshit again Min, this is fucking easily torn apart. Also, while I take issue with being called a fascist too, my point was about Nazis, but it's typical for you to sidetrack issues so guess who isn't surprised.

[quote]
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/quote]

Name me a libertarian song, motto, slogan, symbol or other paraphernalia. Are libertarian flags seen everywhere? How about libertarian icons on clothing? Are there any libertarian "icons"? Hardly.

And "Nationalism", the love of state, is absolutely contrary to what the majority of libertarians espouse.

[quote]
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.[/quote]

Libertarians are sticklers for rights, you'll never hear any politicians talking about people's right to their life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness more than libertarians.

It's more people of your persuasion who will forgo people's "rights" because of someone else's "needs", you'll readily reject the rights of people to their own property to suit your own values.

[quote]
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.[/quote]

Huh, well fuck me, your whole "rebuplicolibertarianazi" bullshit fits this to a fucking tee!

[quote]
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.[/quote]

Libertarian and non-interventionist are essentially synonyms - I don't know of a single libertarian who advocates extending military powers.

[quote]
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.[/quote]

Libertarians are no more male disproportionate than any other political group, in fact one of the most influential libertarians is a woman, Ayn Rand, while I'm personally not a big fan of her a hell of a lot of libertarians are, can you say that about a woman being one of the pillars of progressivism or socialism? I'm not aware of any.

As for anti-gay or anti-abortion attitudes most libertarians will tell you it's none of their business - some of the more conservative/constitutionalist american ones try and slip it under their "states rights" banner but Imo it's hypocritical and not a feature of the Libertarian party:

"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

http://www.lp.org/platform

[quote]
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.[/quote]

You mean the media who painstakingly ignore Ron Paul, finding any excuse under the sun not to give him, or Gary Johnston, any coverage that they don't absolutely have to? Not to mention that Libertarians are against controlling/owning the media in all shapes and forms...

[quote]
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.[/quote]

Libertarians almost unanimously opposed the Iraq War, a war sold under the false pretence of WMDs.

[quote]
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.[/quote]

Some of the "conservative libertarians" are a bit hypocritical about this, but libertarians in general (including the party) are pretty damn clear;

"We defend the rights of individuals to engage in (or abstain from) any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. In order to defend freedom, we advocate a strict separation of church and State"

Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party Jul 2, 2000

[quote]
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.[/quote]

And this is perhaps the single most stupid thing to associate with libertarians. How many libertarian politicians have these big corporates helped elect? Cutting corporate welfare, subsidies and limited liabilities are basically ESSENTIAL libertarian policies, Hell, more libertarians advocate the complete separation of money and politics than any other political ideology save communism. Mutually beneficial my ass!

The business 'aristocracy' want corporate handouts, limited liabilities, exclusive contracts, innovation bonuses, tax breaks, special trade arrangements and the like far MORE than they want free markets.

[quote]
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .[/quote]

Which is in contrast to the idea of freedom of association.

"The right of workers to band together to improve their bargaining position relative to employers is a straightforward implication of freedom of association, and the sort of voluntary association that results is the beating heart of the classical liberal vision of civil society. I unreservedly endorse what I'll call the "unionism of free association".

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracy...ssociation

[quote]
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.[/quote]

Most libertarians/classical liberals are and always have been intellectuals, the number of libertarians outside some academia is I suspect significantly less proportional to the general population.

Arts is another issue, art and culture should be entirely up to the individual to pursue - There is absolutely no good reason why government should fund arts, taking money from one person for the enjoyment and recreation of another or to substantiate a national culture is absolute bullshit imo. People can produce/enjoy whatever they like so long as nobody else is harmed, it's got nothing to do with government.

[quote]
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.[/quote]

And libertairans advocate the most limited government with the least power of ANY political ideology save Anarchism... Again, this is entirely inapplicable.

[quote]
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.[/quote]

Again, something libertarian philosophy is entirely against.

Even the progressive writers acknowledge it;

"Government intervention has created the corporate entity. This limited liability entity creates conditions where the employer has tremendous bargaining power against an individual laborer due to the employer's enormous concentration of wealth"

http://bigwhiteogre.blogspot.com/2011/08...laced.html

It's only their solution that varies, that being more government controlled checks and ballances where as libertarians see less government propping up of private entities as the solution.

[quote]
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. [/quote]

Got any evidence of libertarians rigging elections? I can find you ample evidence of statists and socialists rigging elections all over the world, many of them acting for what they believe is the "greater good".

[quote]
Want to review them one by one and see how far they vary from the republicolibertarianazi program? If you dislike being compared to them perhaps you had best find out what the fuck you are defending.
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I did, ONE BY ONE. How far do they vary? FUCKING MILES.

All it does is illustrate your pathetic straw man and false equivocation.
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