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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 11:38 am
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(September 24, 2011 at 1:32 am)ReB Wrote: I think if the US were going by a Socialist / Communism government, it will not only get the economy in better shape, but end the 9.10% of Americans without jobs. With factories being built (for jobs), and more exports (from factories) will slowly get the US out of its $14.71 trillion dollars in public debt. This also will turn the US into a classless nation, this means, equality. That can solve healthcare issues. Agree, or no? Why or why not?
I forgot to mention... Heres your proof
Comparison of all-in-all debts owed
US: About 250%
Russia: 79%
You see where I'm going with this?
No, communist. I do not see where you're going with this.
If you're going to build factories, I believe that these are going to be really low-tech factories that will employ 10 times more workers than it is needed for a factory that operates with automatized and optimized robot and computer technology.
Besides, your products will be of lower quality, once you absorb low quality workers in your factories(by the way, what will they actually produce?).
Comparing the debts of the US and Russia, I'd say that Russia produces less, exports less, imports more, and is dependent on it's natural resources to keep the economy from collapsing. Besides, most of the money is in the hands of a few oligarchs and shishmanbeys.
And lets not forget the ex-communist and ex-soviet countries:
Most of Russia's offsprings are rather poor. Ukraine is the main exporter of prostitutes in all of europe, and interestingly, it exports "educated" prostitutes, nearly all of the ukrainian prostitutes I was acquainted with were either school teachers, accountants, and I've heard of those who were doctors and engineers by profession, yet they could have a much better life standard with their earnings as a prostitute than they would if they were doing their own professions in Ukraine.
Besides, it's quite evident, that society progresses best when it is in the hands of the middle class. Communism will only allow for the progression of the lower classes, as based on the notion of a worker-dictatorship, but it'd be correct to state, that neither the hammer(industry workers) nor the sickle(agricultural workers) have a strong presence in America.
Most of the Americans are employed within the service sector. So what will be your symbolism for the communist American flag?
It's not to say that America shouldn't adopt the practices of a social state.
Free education and free healthcare, or the regulation of the market by the state requires the communist ideology to be implemented into the system.
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
(October 2, 2011 at 11:38 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Most of the Americans are employed within the service sector. So what will be your symbolism for the communist American flag?
How about a red spatula superimposed on a red smiley face, symbolizing the union of burger flippers and walmart greeters?
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Look at America. Greedy Capitalists are ruining this country. You see people going to wall street in rage. This country will fall within the next 2 decades I think.
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 3:49 pm
The anarchist in me gets all excited at the idea of social unrest...
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I am an anarchist...all the shit happening recently has me in a permanent state of giddiness. 
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm
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(October 2, 2011 at 3:41 pm)ReB Wrote: Look at America. Greedy Capitalists are ruining this country
Well yes,but there are about 200 million of'em. 
Quote:. You see people going to wall street in rage.
Yeah I saw the protests. (only on line) A waste of time unless supported by a MOVEMENT of millions,with a hard core of middle class intellectuals. At this stage it seems not enough Americans give a fuck or believe them.
Quote:. This country will fall within the next 2 decades I think.
Two decades is probably a bit bit optimistic,but I hope you're right. I want things to hold together until I'm dead. Don't care what happens after that time.
My perception is the US is great example of a country getting the government it deserves.
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 6:42 pm
(October 2, 2011 at 3:41 pm)ReB Wrote: Look at America. Greedy Capitalists are ruining this country. You see people going to wall street in rage. This country will fall within the next 2 decades I think. Well, I'm positively sure that any of those protestors could be bought with a couple hundreds of bucks.
America will not fall, unless you stop consuming, and you know that you won't. Because all of you are as greedy as the capitalists that run the country.
Quote:I am an anarchist...all the shit happening recently has me in a permanent state of giddiness.
Anarchist? Your anarchism does not go beyond paying your phone or electricity bills. If you were a real anarchist, you wouldn't be using this internet, nor this computer.
Quote:The anarchist in me gets all excited at the idea of social unrest...
Sure sure. It'll only last for a couple of days. Wall street is like a wall. You hit the wall with all your might, but it still won't move.
Quote:How about a red spatula superimposed on a red smiley face, symbolizing the union of burger flippers and walmart greeters?
Great. I think that's as far as communism goes in America. Unless the whole world turns commie, any other communist country is doomed to end up like North Korea.
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 2, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Quote:Well, I'm positively sure that any of those protestors could be bought with a couple hundreds of bucks.
A rather silly thing to say,as you have no way of proving such an assertion.
Had I been there, I'd have demanded at least $1000.
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Did somebody say 'anarchist'? Sheesh that's even more naive than Libertarianism.
Post industrial society, suddenly no government ;fiat economy collapses,no rule of law. Plus the US has hundreds of millions of firearms in private hands,-warlords,perhaps civil war. It would indeed be 'anarchy' in the popular sense of 'chaos'
Perhaps anarchists could name a few industrial societies which were anarchic. I say industrial as the oldest culture one earth is anarchic;Australian aborigines,over 50 THOUSAND years. However,theirs is a stone age culture,with people living in small family groups.
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 3, 2011 at 7:27 am
(October 2, 2011 at 7:18 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:Well, I'm positively sure that any of those protestors could be bought with a couple hundreds of bucks.
A rather silly thing to say,as you have no way of proving such an assertion.
Had I been there, I'd have demanded at least $1000.
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Did somebody say 'anarchist'? Sheesh that's even more naive than Libertarianism.
Post industrial society, suddenly no government ;fiat economy collapses,no rule of law. Plus the US has hundreds of millions of firearms in private hands,-warlords,perhaps civil war. It would indeed be 'anarchy' in the popular sense of 'chaos'
Perhaps anarchists could name a few industrial societies which were anarchic. I say industrial as the oldest culture one earth is anarchic;Australian aborigines,over 50 THOUSAND years. However,theirs is a stone age culture,with people living in small family groups. Bah. They protest, but they adhere to no real ideology.
If you do not devote yourself to an ideal, how can you really prove to me that you won't be the first to leave at the sign of trouble?
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RE: Communism good for US?
October 3, 2011 at 8:45 am
Who has to prove anything to you, honestly? You don't feel that the protesters in question are dedicated their cause, doesn't sound like much skin off their backs. They don't even know that you exist
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