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enlighten me!
#31
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(October 11, 2011 at 4:36 pm)IntriguedStudent Wrote: I promise all those who participate in the study will receive a pseudonym and remain COMPLETELY anonymous (this fact was deeply stressed by my instructor) when referred to in my paper. In fact any information on your identity won't be needed.

Sad panda. I'm openly an eccentric pansexual transwoman with bisexual tendencies who has nothing to hide (even if she enjoys fucking with people on occasion)... anonymity is against my MO. If you accept me for all else I show... You will not fail to accept me as a result of my apathetic athiesm. If you do not accept me as for all else: you will not suddenly accept me for my being an apathetic atheist.

Interesting then I should be so popular down here. Smile
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#32
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Dawkins is incredibly intelligent, you don't become big cheese at Oxford being an idiot. You say his points are easily defeated, but Christians/Muslims have no points, no proof, no reason to believe any of their assertions that they dress up as proof, whereas biology has the theory and empirical evidence to back it up, and knock out many biblical bollocks stories. As does physics, geology etc.

You get the likes of William Lame Craig, Turek, who are good debators, but so fucking what, they still come up with nothing believable, nothing with evidence and nothing that a thinking mind can believe. They're just desperate people. Scientists like Dawkins can change there opinions depending on results they get in laboratories, fundies do not budge an inch.
Also, buy the Richard Dawkins book, the god delusion, but also buy a William lame Craig book.

Read the Dawkins book whilst having a shit, and use the WLC book to wipe your ass.
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#33
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I happen to admire Richard Dawkins. He is a brilliant scientist and author, and sure he's a dick to theists when they present him with their bullshit. Everyone should be offended by the theists' bullshit, not the intelligent scientist telling them how ridiculous and wrong they are. I wear my out campaign shirt proudly.

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#34
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If you've been dealing with the baseless bullshit for 40 years, you too would be a shit to theists.
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#35
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Why are you asking your questions to people on the internet?

Surely you could post a flyer at that university of yours and find yourself a handful of atheists. I mean, the most liberal place in America is it's college campuses.

I'm a little leery. Not that it matters I suppose....
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That's right. I can't answer your questions. I'm a Christian.


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#36
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I don't know about yours but I think I found mine.....


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#37
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(October 11, 2011 at 3:44 pm)IntriguedStudent Wrote: Hi, my name is Victoria and I'm a new member of your site. Now I must admit I am not entirely an atheist (I'm a bit unsure of my religious views), but I'm definitely interested in your beliefs. Now to my main point, I've come to your site with a purpose: I'm conducting a research project on new atheism.

Throughout the year in my composition class we have been reviewing works from Joseph Campbell. My task appointed to me by my instructor was to plan a research project around a topic that interested you most. So I chose the idea that atheism is becoming a more common route for the modern American.

From there I was required to do some research on what you guys are all about. From my university's religious database I mostly found attacks on the idea of new atheism, but from all these rants and raves came an article in support of new atheism. It spoke of the ideas of Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris and uniting themes between them. From there I found the real ammo for my research.

So what I'm interested in is YOUR opinion on A) religious violence B) cognitive science on religion and C) morality.

I'd be so delighted to perform some brief online interviews with a couple of you on these three topics for my research on the validity behind new atheism. Let the enlightening begin!

P.S. I'd be glad to share with you my annotated bibliography of the sources I used and a letter from the University of Central Florida solidifying this research plan.

-Victoria C.

Welcome Victoria,

May I ask suggest if you have not already done so, read the works such as The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens, God The Failed Hypothesis & The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason by Victor Stenger, Letter to a Christian Nation & The End of Faith by Sam Harris, Breaking the Spell by Dan Dennett. Reading those works will get you a good picture of what the "New Atheism" is about.

Also I would recommend to read works by atheists from previous generations such as Bertrand Russell, Karl Marx, Robert Ingersoll, Mark Twain, Thomas Paine (he would have been an atheist if he lived after Darwin's publication of the origin of the species), Antony Flew (before he became a deist before his death).

In my opinion the "new atheists" aren't much different to the atheists who criticized religion in the past. However scientific knowledge is much greater today than back then and the "new atheists" are starting to propose things like using scientific knowledge as a basis for morality. Also 9/11 has made people wake up to the dangers which religious fundamentalism poses to our civilization and it's basic values.

I hope those suggestions have helped.
(October 11, 2011 at 5:01 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: lol, I meant here in NC - they think all black clothes means you're dabbling in witchcraft.

I happened to have known a fundamentalist Christian girl (also a Young Earth Creationist to boot), who dressed in black, in the Goth style to be exact.

While I the rabid atheist baby eater, dresses in a conservative "preppy" style which would pass the dress code at Bob Jones University with flying colours.
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#38
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I would suggest David Sloan Wilson's Darwin's Cathedral as well. I like his evolutionary perspectives. He does not always agree with Dawkins, and I should think that makes him a solid scientist without taking anything away from his atheistic perspective.
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#39
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(October 11, 2011 at 5:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: While Dawkins makes many valid points ( don't listen to Frods...he's a believer in bullshit ) he suffers from the problem of most really smart people. That is, they do not understand exactly how fucking stupid theists are when it comes to their idiotic gods. Such people cannot be taught. They can be refuted but they don't listen.

Anyone who is stupid enough to put this bumper sticker on their car:

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is not interested in science. They simply want to believe in bullshit. Sometimes you can plant a seed of doubt in their minds but it has to grow on its own.

You make good points there and agree almost completely. However I have to admit Richard Dawkins is weak on things such as philosophy and I dunno if he has any understanding how Christians "interpret" their scriptures (which I have to admit his is weaker than mine).

To the fundie crowd Dawkins is an irritant, people like Hector Avalos, Robert M Price, Dan Barker and John Loftus on the other hand are quite threatening to fundies. Because they used to be fundamentalists and thus know their weak spots. To the extent that William Lane Craig wont debate John Loftus.
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#40
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Quote:However I have to admit Richard Dawkins is weak on things such as philosophy


Good. I regard philosophy as mental masturbation. I'll stick with Dawkins and his scientific findings.

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