Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Cinjin]

[Rayaan]

(17th October 2011 02:09)Minimalist Wrote:  Who asked you to like it, though? You don't know these people, you are not responsible for supporting the child which you think should be born and you are not getting up at 3 in the morning to feed it and wipe its shitty diaper. What gives you the right to have an opinion on what someone else should do.

This was just my opinion (which is mainly due to my adherence to Islam), but I'm not going to force anyone to act upon this opinion.

So, I do agree that a woman should be allowed to make her own choice on abortion irrespective of my religious beliefs. Also, being a parent is tough and I understand the reasons why many people don't want any babies. And like you said, I am not responsible for what they do. Their lives are not my life.

(17th October 2011 03:02)Shell B Wrote:  Oh, no, no, no, Rayaan. If that is your assessment, you absolutely must include mentally capability in that as well, in my opinion.

You're right, I should have included that also. I think that mental and physical capabilities are equally important. However, I observe this from an Islamic point of view, and that's why some of our other opinions on abortion will go in separate ways.

For example, Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that after the fetus is completely formed and has been given a soul, abortion is a sin. But the sin also depends on how long the baby have been in the stomach. Some scholars have said that an abortion is prohibited for a Muslim after 40 days of conception because that is when the soul enters the body (according to certain Hadiths). Now, of course, you don't have to agree with any of this and I know that you won't because you are an atheist. I'm just giving my own perspective even though it may be useless.

[5thHorseman]

I'm pro choice, because I have personally been through abortion, very late stage. I was pro choice before as well. Right wingers don't know they've been born.

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'This was just my opinion (which is mainly due to my adherence to Islam)'

See why secularism is good?

'For example, Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that after the fetus is completely formed and has been given a soul'

Nice guess work! Thank fuck Islam doesn't rule the world. Yet.

[Erinome]

I am doubtful it ever will... let'd make that optimistic that it won't.

[KichigaiNeko]

Pro-Choice here.

It's my body and I'll reproduce when it suits me fellas.

[fr0d0]

(17th October 2011 03:00)IATIA Wrote:  so should a woman be free to choose what is best for her.

It's not her she's choosing for tho', it's the life inside her. She is choosing to terminate a life (nicest way to put it).

I think it has to be a choice, and only the mother can make it. But the choice isn't her comfort or financial stability, it's the life of the child.

[KichigaiNeko]

(17th October 2011 11:04)fr0d0 Wrote:  

(17th October 2011 03:00)IATIA Wrote:  so should a woman be free to choose what is best for her.

It's not her she's choosing for tho', it's the life inside her. She is choosing to terminate a life (nicest way to put it).

The "life inside her" (very primitive way of thinking imho) is for HER to decide what happens to HER body

(17th October 2011 11:04)fr0d0 Wrote:  I think it has to be a choice, and only the mother can make it. But the choice isn't her comfort or financial stability, it's the life of the child.

It IS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH FINANCE AND STABILITY!!
Really fr0d0...if it was NOT for MAN going and providing food and STABILITY for the mother and her offspring ....he WOULDN'T GET A FUCK!

[Erinome]

Growing up poor as fuck in the projects has turned out some excellent human beings, but lets look at the majority, shall we...



Nope.

[Zen Badger]

When you think about it, Abortion has to qualify as the ultimate disproof of god.( the abrahamic god anyway)

God has an ultimate plan for the universe, according to the xtiains anyway.

This plan being perfect(since god is perfect) requires that EVERYTHING plays out exactly as god intended.

So everyone ever born has a place and a purpose in that plan.

Ipsofacto, to cause that person to die before birth is to directly disrupt gods plan.

Which you would think would piss off god a lot.

So why doesn't he prevent abortions happening?

And it is not enough to say that he will punish the perpertrators afterwards. That's bullshit, because his "divine" plan is still going to be fucked up.

So either there is no divine plan and therefore no god.

Or god plans for abortions to happen.

[Rhythm]

(17th October 2011 07:30)Rayaan Wrote:  For example, Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that after the fetus is completely formed and has been given a soul, abortion is a sin. But the sin also depends on how long the baby have been in the stomach. Some scholars have said that an abortion is prohibited for a Muslim after 40 days of conception because that is when the soul enters the body (according to certain Hadiths). Now, of course, you don't have to agree with any of this and I know that you won't because you are an atheist. I'm just giving my own perspective even though it may be useless.

Surely those Jurists have also suggested some reliable means of testing, so that we know the criteria have been met when considering a woman's eligibility for an abortion? A soulometer perhaps? There's something very strange when you refer to people who are talking completely out of their ass as "jurists" and trot them out as an authority on anything (I'm completely unconvinced that these people are even qualified to speak about their own religious beliefs).