Overpopulation

[Ace Otana]

I've made plenty of points here that have gone unaddressed (ie: subterrenian farms, hydroponics, living in antarctica etc, and I'll add another two: catacombs for dwelling places; eradicating all cows, pigs, horses, and other creatures that we eat that take up space and are inefficient for feeding us)... but I'm not complaining. I've said my bits and if you don't have anything to return with: okay?

Fresh water isn't being recycled as fast as we consume it. We're consuming too much. Every thing we have comes from the natural world and we're consuming too much. Fresh water goes into farms, factories and homes. More farms are needed for an ever growing population, more farms require more space and water. We're running out of both of these. Natural reservoirs are running out. When they run out, we won't have any fresh water for food, production and hydration. And yet we'll still need to feed and hydrate an ever growing population. Death follows. People will learn this, either the easy way or the hard way. The fact that the planet is warming just makes things worse.

The natural world cannot recycle what we use fast enough. We're using too much. Give it a few years, reality is going to hit home hard.
Can't accept that? That's your problem.

[The Grand Nudger]

More farms actually don't require more water, and more farms aren't needed to feed more people. We're just incredibly wasteful and inefficient in areas that we can get away with. I agree that somebody will have to pay the piper unless we do something about it. A warming planet opens vast tracts of land to agriculture btw. Plants do very well when this rock gets hot.

[Violet]

Fresh water isn't being recycled as fast as we consume it.

'Is not being'... is not 'cannot be'.

We're consuming too much.

Hardly.

Every thing we have comes from the natural world and we're consuming too much.

A few elements of the periodic table want a word with you on the first part. You assert the latter part over and over again, without ever establishing what 'too much' is. Certainly it isn't enough for the capitalists to stop squeezing even more blood from stones.

Fresh water goes into farms, factories and homes.

I hear it also falls out of the sky. Potential answers to your problems here: remove animal farms, insert hydroponics farms (little-no water wasted), efficient 'green' factories that don't pollute the water (i don't see how a machine could otherwise 'waste' it), and make every home's water usage efficient. We can't exactly keep everyone from sweating, but we certainly can keep recycling their urine and shit.

More farms are needed for an ever growing population, more farms require more space and water.

Subterrenian -> space. Hydroponics -> water.

We're running out of both of these.

Got some space in the north. Lots of it. And a whole continent down south. Australia is pretty empty of people across most of it. And then there's always underground and on the ocean floor/surface of the ocean. I'm not following you on the space running out just yet. And since we're so busy running out of water: why not make more? Or find more. It's harder getting down here, sure... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_table but tell me it's not there. And if the rich cocksuckers would pay for it: there are some expensive and highly inefficient methods. And when scientists figure out how to make saltwater drinkable... I hope to all fucking hell you doomsayers shut up.

Natural reservoirs are running out.

Adapt.

When they run out, we won't have any fresh water for food, production and hydration.

'When they run out': they aren't going to run out.

And yet we'll still need to feed and hydrate an ever growing population.

Need is a very strong word. Anyway: adapt.

Death follows.

Get over it: life dies. Often horribly.

People will learn this, either the easy way or the hard way.

Don't kid yourself: people will never learn.

The fact that the planet is warming just makes things worse.

Or better, if you happen to live in alaska, russia, antarctica, or canada.

The natural world cannot recycle what we use fast enough. We're using too much. Give it a few years, reality is going to hit home hard.

Can. Wrong. Doubt it. Though I do await the revolution

Can't accept that? That's your problem.

I have no problems, hakuna matata Can't stand that some people see that we adapt? Okay?

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For clarity's sake... we are referring to 'waste water' as in 'dirty' (meaning we are simply too lazy to clean it up), yes?

[The Grand Nudger]

Thats the rub, fix the shit we know is broke and then tell me what the carrying capacity is.

[Justtristo]

And when scientists figure out how to make saltwater drinkable... I hope to all fucking hell you doomsayers shut up.[/b]

A lot of Australia is either desert or at most semi-desert, if you were to over-impose a map of Australia over the Sahara desert, that would show you how much habitable land there is in Australia.

Given the high rainfall variability in Australia, you could consider that whole area colored with grassland and desert as arid, with most of the remainder being semi-arid.

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And when scientists figure out how to make saltwater drinkable... I hope to all fucking hell you doomsayers shut up.[/b]

A lot of Australia is either desert or at most semi-desert, if you were to over-impose a map of Australia over the Sahara desert, that would show you how much habitable land there is in Australia.

Given the high rainfall variability in Australia, you could consider that whole area colored with grassland and desert as arid, with most of the remainder being semi-arid.

[fr0d0]

If you listen to David Attenborough you'll get it. Sure technologies etc will help to put a sticking plaster on the problem. Fact is though there's a finite amount of people, and other animals that a finite amount of resources = the fresh water supply, can support. Currently that's 9bn. We have 40 years left to make that stretch. We should buy ourselves more time, but we will reach the limit some time.

My favourite quote from Ace's video link: Sustainable Growth is an oxymoron. Awesome

So nature has a limit where population cannot exceed it. <insert science fiction fantasy here>

[Cinjin]

alright well, if it's true that we only have half a century before we all die, I vote we shoot the christians into the sun first

1 billion less people drinkin water ... KA BAM!!

[Violet]

A lot of Australia is either desert or at most semi-desert, if you were to over-impose a map of Australia over the Sahara desert, that would show you how much habitable land there is in Australia.

'Habitable' ≠ 'inhabitable'. You can build on desert as easily as fertile plains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai#Geography nice little jewel of the desert.

Anyway, that's not the point: we get more than half our food from overseas... and water probably not dissimilar. There is no reason you can't build a city anywhere (as long as you've figured out how to build there), since there's always a way or six to make it work

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If you listen to David Attenborough you'll get it. Sure technologies etc will help to put a sticking plaster on the problem. Fact is though there's a finite amount of people, and other animals that a finite amount of resources = the fresh water supply, can support. Currently that's 9bn. We have 40 years left to make that stretch. We should buy ourselves more time, but we will reach the limit some time.

40 years to find a way to drink seawater. Someone'll get it done eventually.

So nature has a limit where population cannot exceed it. <insert science fiction fantasy here>

Only a fantasy till it's done (ie: submarines). Jules verne comes to mind as science fantasies becoming a reality. I see no reason it can't be done (converting seawater into drinking water) given enough money, time, and effort by people qualified to try.

[Ace Otana]

Hardly.

Then why are our reservoirs drying out?

I hear it also falls out of the sky.

Yes rainful replenishes reservoirs, but we take too much from reservoirs. Plus a warmer climate reduces rainfall.

remove animal farms,

Your source of meat and milk disappears.

insert hydroponics farms (little-no water wasted),

Highly expensive as it takes a lot of energy, plus it won't be enough.

efficient 'green' factories that don't pollute the water

That's a step in the right direction but doesn't solve the problem.

(i don't see how a machine could otherwise 'waste' it), and make every home's water usage efficient.

A good step in the right direction.

We can't exactly keep everyone from sweating

Never suggested that.

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but we certainly can keep recycling their urine and shit.

Many countries have already engaged in recycling waste. A good step.

Subterrenian -> space. Hydroponics -> water.

One requires a lot of resources, advance technology and time. They both are impractical and hugely expensive.

Got some space in the north. Lots of it. And a whole continent down south. Australia is pretty empty of people across most of it. And then there's always underground and on the ocean floor/surface of the ocean.

You're only delaying the problem. That tactic has already been used. It's still in use. We need a solution not a delay.

I'm not following you on the space running out just yet.

Space won't matter, water is the first to run out. Farms do however take huge amounts of space and a lot of water.

And since we're so busy running out of water: why not make more?

Converting sea water is hugely expensive and only delays the problem. It doesn't solve it.

Or find more.

Many colostral bodies contain much water. Don't know how to collect it yet. But even if we did, it would cost trillions.

And when scientists figure out how to make saltwater drinkable... I hope to all fucking hell you doomsayers shut up.[/b]

We can convert salt water to fresh, but it's extremely expensive. It also doesn't solve the problem. Also doomsayers as you call them, not all are wrong. Religious wackos, I'd ignore and laugh at any day. They assert without evidence. Naturalists on the other hand, tend to have first hand experience with decades of research with the backing of scientists. Some warnings must be heeded.

Adapt.

How can we adapt without water? Try this, go a whole week without water and let me know how well you adapted to it. Starving Africans go through it all the time. They don't live for very long.

'When they run out': they aren't going to run out.

I wish you were right. But our reservoirs say different.

Need is a very strong word. Anyway: adapt.

Like I said, life depends on water. Without it, it dies.

Get over it: life dies. Often horribly.

Doesn't have to for us. But being blind to the ever growing problem will be our undoing.

Don't kid yourself: people will never learn.

Then we are forced to repeat our mistakes.

Or better, if you happen to live in alaska, russia, antarctica, or canada.

No, that's a bad thing. Planet warms up, ice caps melt, ocean rises, less land, less space...you get the picture.

I have no problems, hakuna matata Can't stand that some people see that we adapt? Okay?

Somethings we cannot adapt to. We have our limitations.


The solution to the problem is not finding or producing more water, it's controlling our population. We don't have to face water shortages. We will if we don't do something now.

[Napoléon]

(and lets not pretend that america is even close to the only perp here eh Napo? I didn't exactly see any rib last time you were on G+)

Are you calling me fat?