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Science and Gender
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Science and Gender
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badast...-to-girls/

Quote:Now, I am not a sociologist or a psychologist who studies gender roles and the differences between the sexes. It strikes me that there may be no need to separate the way we teach between boys and girls — my friend and geologist Evelyn Mervine discusses this point further — but I’ll also readily admit that there may very well be differences between the ways boys and girls see the world. If that’s the case, I have no problem with a company, teacher, or parent accepting that and using it to help the child learn. In other words, science is the same for everyone, but how we get people interested in it and learning about may vary from demographic to demographic.

But I don’t think that’s really the issue here. The problem here is these girls’ kits all are almost entirely marketed on the idea that girls should be pretty, or should try to make themselves pretty.

On the other hand, because many other facets of society enforce some of these stereotypes, I'd say a pink kit that shows the science that goes into cosmetics is a great way to get a girl who really likes those sorts of things to get interested in science.

I don't know - as a kid my mother was very anti-frills, insisting I concentrate on my brain instead of anything else, but I was a natural tomboy anyway and obsessed with rainforests and oceans. I really didn't care about make up and girly things unless it had to do with costumes, but I knew a bunch of girls who did, obviously.

I guess I figure if a kid likes something well enough, they're not going to care how it's packaged. But just like I prefer to exercise by working in the yard rather than going to the gym for exercise's sake (because I can see "results" and get shit done), I would imagine pink "girly" science kits would get those makeup-loving girls who weren't interested in science for science's sake doing science-y things because they could see the benefit for it and they were creating something they liked.

I think the answer would be for the company to produce more gender neutral products as well.

Thoughts? How could we get ALL kids more interested in science?

My thought as I looked at the girl's kit was that a child who was very girly when young might discover an interest in perfume creation because of that kit and might go on to become a perfumer (something plenty of men did back in the day) or a fragrance specialist for product marketing (more important than people realize) or work with special needs people and scent (experiments where blind people use scent to navigate, for example) or researcher into how scent works with the brain to create some of the most powerful memories we have.

It makes me wonder very much how kids toys influence us as we grow up. I played with dinosaur figurines (if you didn't, you suck), hot wheels cars, lego sets, and SuperSoaker guns. I also played with Polly Pockets and My Little Pet Shops and briefly for a few years, Barbies. Know what? I turned into a nerdy woman who likes good science, sexy dresses, classic cars, architecture, shooting guns, and role-playing. But did the toys make me that way...or did I ask for those toys because I'm interested in science and cars and buildings, and playing pretend?
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(November 30, 2011 at 10:47 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: It makes me wonder very much how kids toys influence us as we grow up. I played with dinosaur figurines (if you didn't, you suck), hot wheels cars, lego sets, and SuperSoaker guns. I also played with Polly Pockets and My Little Pet Shops and briefly for a few years, Barbies. Know what? I turned into a nerdy woman who likes good science, sexy dresses, classic cars, architecture, shooting guns, and role-playing.

You and me both! Well, except for the shooting guns part...Confused

Quote:Thoughts? How could we get ALL kids more interested in science?

Hmm....Thinking
I'm thinking scientific video games for kids (I can't help but think there's a better way to word that) could work. Especially for kids who have parents that worry about them so much they'd rather have them inside 24/7. As for the more outdoorsy kids, perhaps kits that aren't so pink or blue...I guess. Maybe kits that are more colorful and less "gender-specific"?
I don't know. I've always been more of a television kind of person and the only science show I watch nowadays that's only so family-oriented is Mythbusters. However, when I was younger(the show began airing when I was ten), I found Mythbusters to be kind of boring. I was also disappointed that there were only one or two women in that show. So perhaps there could be more science shows for kids that aren't so gender-dominant?

I'm just rambling. You can ignore me. Tongue
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RE: Science and Gender
Well, the only thing about there being less men and more women (or whatever) is that I don't think there should be any problem with a girl finding a male scientist to be inspirational - what does it matter? She's intrigued by the same things he is, yeah? Are we that "group" minded that girls will only do things if other girls are doing them?

I don't know. I've had this thought conundrum about how to make history more relevant as well.
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Men work

women make dinner

get over it.
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You damn well better be working if I'm making you dinner - just don't bitch if it's not on the table when you come home because I haven't made it home from work myself.
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marriage is definately on the cards
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I'm not doing it because I think you need to be fed - I'm just skeptical of you being able to make a palatable meal.
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(November 30, 2011 at 4:52 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Well, the only thing about there being less men and more women (or whatever) is that I don't think there should be any problem with a girl finding a male scientist to be inspirational - what does it matter? She's intrigued by the same things he is, yeah? Are we that "group" minded that girls will only do things if other girls are doing them?

Maybe. You could also add the fact that girls all too often hear they're male peers saying, "Girls can't do this/that/whatever", so, unless they see another girl doing this/that/whatever, they're left with the impression that they can't do something simply because they're girls. I suppose if they more often heard "Girls can do anything boys can do" or vice versa.

I don't know. Just more ramblings.
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No, it's true - that's why I started the thread: to hash all that stuff out. (Quit saying your opinions are ramblings! You've a right to yours just like you do your asshole Tongue )

It would require starting with never telling a child they could or couldn't do something because it's "girly" or "that's for boys"
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(November 30, 2011 at 5:26 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: (Quit saying your opinions are ramblings! You've a right to yours just like you do your asshole Tongue )

I'm just tired. Plus, I'm not entirely used to sharing my opinions. In real life, I'm very quiet.
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