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Ignorant Atheists?
#31
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Darwin was Catholic. Smile
Darwin was Catholic in the same way I was Christian. Darwin was well documented to have lost his faith around the time his daughter Annie died, and his theory of Evolution prompted to question God more. Whether he was an atheist or not is debatable, but he referred to himself as an agnostic in conversation.
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#32
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
There is always the myth of his deathbed conversion to contend with.
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Leo van Miert
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#33
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(November 28, 2008 at 1:47 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: There is always the myth of his deathbed conversion to contend with.
Yes, but when the Answers in Genesis lists it as the top "argument we don't think you should use" it kinda adds credibility to it's falsehood.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/are...n_recanted
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#34
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
You know, that page is about the only page actually worth reading on that site. Smile
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Leo van Miert
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#35
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(November 28, 2008 at 1:52 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: You know, that page is about the only page actually worth reading on that site. Smile
They don't leave themselves many arguing points really Tongue
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#36
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(November 9, 2008 at 9:24 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: (IOW you cannot just believe your bit of science is true whilst ignoring the evidences and explanations of other bits).
Brilliantly put. Exactly what I think. To be a true scientist you have to use the scientific method properly and try to do so to its full potential at the best of your ability. You have to think scientifically. Not ignore certain evidences when you feel like it because if goes against your "faith". That's not science. That's not scientific. That's hugely unscientific. How can you be called a scientist when you just think scientifically in your study when you feel like it? And when it contradicts your faith you ignore it?
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#37
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: The majority of online atheists appear to be nothing but disgruntled Christians.

But only your mind, the reality is somewhat different.

(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: He is wrong. 70% of the scientific field disbelief in a higher power. But these same atheists all agree that they cannot disprove a higher power.

Actually I would say that very, very few atheists will say that the non-existence of god is provable, what they will usually say when pushed is that the existence of deity is extremely unlikely and, begging evidence, the assumption is that there is no such thing.

(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Your sources are correct. The percentage of atheistic-scientists are roughly around seventy percent.

52% according to this 2007 link.

(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: I'm a devout Christian and I believe the earth is 4 billion years old.

I'm surprised as you don't come across that way ... pleased though.

(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Once again, this is also true. But does that mean creation is false?

Depends what you mean by "creation".

(November 28, 2008 at 11:47 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Darwin was Catholic.

So what? Newton was Christian, everyone was back then ... it means nothing.

Kyu
(December 2, 2008 at 8:03 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: How can you be called a scientist when you just think scientifically in your study when you feel like it? And when it contradicts your faith you ignore it?

Yeah, IMO you cant.

Kyu
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#38
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
(December 2, 2008 at 8:03 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: How can you be called a scientist when you just think scientifically in your study when you feel like it? And when it contradicts your faith you ignore it?
(December 3, 2008 at 5:47 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Yeah, IMO you cant.

Kyu
Yeah. And furthermore. I would like to hear your opinion on the following:
Last night I was thinking. It is in my opinion, and some others, that a good person who tolerates extreme evil violence and cruelty. May be a good person at heart. But not in practice. Evil is the enemy of good. You can't allow evil to go about poisoning everything. As Leonardo said: "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." At heart a good person could be good. But if he tolerated extreme evil then at least in practice he isn't.
So since faith and superstition is the enemy and perhaps even the reverse of the scientific method - and scientific thinking. For the same reason as the above paragraph, perhaps you could say that someone who is a scientist but tolerates faith and superstition can be a scientist at heart but he isn't in practice?
And after all what tolerates faith, a scientist's enemy, when you're a scientist, more than having faith yourself? You're an enemy to yourself TOO. You betray both your faith and your science.
Or is that going too far? What do you think? Its just an idea. I was thinking about it last night.
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#39
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
I would consider that WAY too far. Like I mentioned before there are very good religious scientists who do not let their religious view get in the way of their interpretation of the scientific evidence. What those people believe in their own mind is totally up to them and it in no way deteriorates or invalidates their findings or research.
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Leo van Miert
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#40
RE: Ignorant Atheists?
So what would you say the difference is between that and the other example I gave? Faith contradicts science. If you tolerate faith when you're a scientist how is that not like tolerating your enemy when you're good? I'm not sure myself. Intuitively it seems too far. But intellectually I'm not sure yet. So please explain.
I am all for the "conversational intolerance" that Sam Harris promotes.
And of course as I've already said I certainly don't think having a degree and even making discoveries makes you a scientist. Its using the scientific method. And if you just use it when you feel like it and don't when it contradicts your faith. So you are putting your nonsensical faith above the scientific method. How can you be called a scientist then? You are putting pretty much the reverse of the scientific method ABOVE the scientific method.
If you're a scientist then you might as well just say everyone is a scientist. Even if they're very illogical.
Furthermore it shouldn't be up to them if they are negatively effecting other people. And for instance making faith heads think science is compatible with faith. When it isn't. Only if you ignore the contradictions. And that's not really compatible. They can still practice the scientific method but they should be aware that their faith is completely debunked by it. Because of the burden of proof, Occam's razor and the absurd improbability of God. If they want to be really considered a full practitioner of the scientific method. A scientist.
And also how do you know that they wouldn't be better scientist if they weren't religious? If they didn't believe in supernatural absurdity that completely contradicts science?
Finally, if I am not a scientist in the sense I don't have a degree or practice 'science'. And that makes me not a scientist. But someone who does but believes in 'a faith' the opposition of science. Does that make him/her more of a scientist than me? Even if he/she gets such a HUGE scientific question wrong and I don't?
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