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    Thread: Free will and the necessary evil
Post: RE: Free will and the necessary evil
Hey buddy. Can you expound on that a little? I think these are interesting topics, but the relationship between free will, suffering, and the eternality of God's wrath is not obvious to me just from t...
 ayost Christianity 14 1537 November 11, 2022 at 12:50 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
FWIW, bc I hate to see you guys waste your time, I scroll past every post except procaracas without even reading it.
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 12:16 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 12, 2021 at 11:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh god, another slavery revisionist.  Here to harangue us about our morals. Why is it always the same constellation of shit with you people?  G...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 11:52 am
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 12, 2021 at 10:49 am)ayost Wrote: (October 12, 2021 at 11:24 am)pocaracas Wrote: It may feel like a dodge to you, but I'm just doing my best to be objective in situations for which I have...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 11:38 am
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 12, 2021 at 7:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: (October 12, 2021 at 7:48 am)ayost Wrote: I’m trying! Hahaha I can accept that morality is societal if you can fully commit to your worldview. For ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 10:49 am
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 12, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The trouble with expecting to Abrahamic god to ‘get morality right’ is twofold: -If God freely determines what constitutes moral behaviour, the...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 7:52 am
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 7:07 pm)ayost Wrote: [quote="pocaracas" pid='2068548' dateline='1634031364'] Yay!! You finally got the quotes right!! I’m trying! Hahaha I can accept that morality is societal ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 12, 2021 at 7:48 am
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 10:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, not quite equally. Inconsistencies in a religious tradition are incredibly resistant to correction. Not that it matters, if morality is ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 10:15 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
Anecdotally, the first time I heard that argument my immediate response was “So you think homosexuality is immoral?” To which he replied “Well it depends on what brings the most well being to the ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 8:39 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 7:32 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: (October 11, 2021 at 7:07 pm)ayost Wrote: So  an we all see how your morality is completely subjective. There’s so many unknowns and variables and ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 8:10 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 5:48 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (October 11, 2021 at 5:39 pm)ayost Wrote: We've been trying to stop abuse. We can't. Killing foster kids still meets the definition of moral here. And...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 7:07 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 5:32 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Stopping the abuse doesn't come to mind?  Straight to killin the kids?  You sound positively abrahamic.  Something tells me, however, that someon...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 5:39 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 5:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The kid either was or wasn't harmed, either did or didn't lose blood, either did or didn't lose teeth, either does or doesn't have broken bones, ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 5:38 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 3:54 pm)ayost Wrote: (October 11, 2021 at 4:50 pm)pocaracas Wrote: How much simpler it is to consider that anything that increases the amount of suffering is morally bad and w...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 5:30 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 4:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I just told you how.  I reference facts of the matter.  That's what moral objectivity is.  I could say that it hurts people, and you won't have t...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 5:03 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 4:16 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Does the moral nature of curbstomping a kid change based on the opinions of a god, or is there a fact of the matter? For this conversation I will...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 4:30 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Does my level of knowledge on the subject of moral realism increase or decrease based on your opinion, or is there a fact of the matter? Exactly ...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 4:15 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 4:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, you're certainly free to object.  That's kindof the point of objectivity.  Of trying to determine whether or not something about an act, ra...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 4:09 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 3:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's what I just told you...you realize?   Lets say god doesn't like people who pray to other gods.  Therefore it's morally wrong to pray to o...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 4:00 pm
    Thread: Why does science always upstage God?
Post: RE: Why does science always upstage God?
(October 11, 2021 at 3:23 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We've got another one that's confused a fairy's subjective whims for an objective system. Actually if there is a God that is the standard of trut...
 ayost Religion 940 123323 October 11, 2021 at 3:54 pm