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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| It still sounds like an atheist position StealthySkeptic. And I have no problem with someone taking that starting position. I just think that there is some underlying, and covert, bias going on when i... |
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September 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm |
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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| (September 8, 2014 at 4:24 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: I would define neutral in the case of religion as stepping outside of all religious perspectives.
Sounds rather like an atheist position to me ;-) |
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September 8, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| StealthySkeptic. You can try to insist on a neutral position but this has two major difficulties. 1) Who defines 'neutral'? (Bayesian thought side-steps this very significant problem), and 2) This req... |
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September 8, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| Well, Bayesian thought is not dependent on what position is being held, or who holds it, or whether the prior presupposition is towards belief in or non-belief in a proposition. So it would say, in si... |
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September 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| (September 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (September 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm)Michael Wrote: I wonder who it is that decides a claim is extraordinary :-)
The people who make a claim, especial... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
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Thread: Why Would God Hide?
Post: RE: Why Would God Hide?
| I wonder who it is that decides a claim is extraordinary :-) |
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September 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Exian. I agree. Knowledge can certainly come from all sorts of sources: science, history, tradition, experience, etc. We all assimilate these things into one over-arching meta-model. I have no doubt s... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 11:43 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Well Shaman, that opens up a larger question of how much we seek to control others (we all do, well unless you favour complete lawlessness). I'm generally a libertarian myself, but democracies bring t... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 11:37 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| (September 8, 2014 at 10:39 am)ShaMan Wrote: (September 8, 2014 at 5:16 am)Michael Wrote: In short, the bible was never something separate from the community that wrote and read it.Agreed. And tha... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 11:14 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Pickup
Yes, I think sincerity is really important. After all, if you can fake that you've got it made :-)
But more seriously, Cardinal John Henry Newman brought the conscience right back into mainst... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 10:08 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| A couple of things there I'd throw in.
On the 'end of the world', for temple Jerusalem that pretty much came with the sack of Jerusalem and the temple in AD70. That was the end of the era of temple s... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 9:26 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Well on the ripping out of eyes, I would say that is a rheorical device. So, for example, you'll find the same technique used in the Talmud...
'The pain of humiliation is more bitter than death. Ther... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 6:04 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Rob,
Your challenge of how well I live out the words of Jesus reminds me of something G.K.Chesteron said....
"The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult a... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 5:45 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| (September 8, 2014 at 5:19 am)robvalue Wrote: My point is, how can this book be considered any kind of good evidence when you have to rely on other people telling you it is true, without then provid... |
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Michael |
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September 8, 2014 at 5:33 am |
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Thread: The bible... why take it seriously?
Post: RE: The bible... why take it seriously?
| Hi Rob
It seems to me that you're looking at the bible from the perspective of a stranger coming across it in isolation. How then would you, as an individual, know what to make of it? That's a fair q... |
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September 8, 2014 at 5:16 am |
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Thread: Science: A Religion? (long post)
Post: RE: Science: A Religion? (long post)
| Interesting post, ManMachine. Personally I wouldn't describe science as a religion, but I would say that there are some people who make science into a religion. I suppose it is then what some call 'sc... |
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September 8, 2014 at 3:13 am |
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Thread: The future for the human race
Post: RE: The future for the human race
| I think the extent and impact of the rapid climate change we are seeing, and more than likely causing, is a big unknown. I'd add that to the 'possibly worry about' list. As for food, I think a move to... |
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September 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm |
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Thread: Yes I pick on all religions.
Post: RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
| For those that deny the oppression of the Church and the persecution of Christians by Stalin, the demolition in 1931 of the Moscow Cathedral (it was rebuilt in the 1990s).
http://youtu.be/YFlx55OANg8... |
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September 7, 2014 at 2:05 pm |
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Thread: Yes I pick on all religions.
Post: RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
| (September 6, 2014 at 12:45 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: And where is the book of atheist dogma commanding its followers to kill?
Must have missed that somewhere.
With respect, I suggest you read a littl... |
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Michael |
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September 7, 2014 at 7:56 am |
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Thread: Why is God fearing a good thing?
Post: RE: Why is God fearing a good thing?
| Elskidor, there's a lovely bit in the Wind In The Willows (definitely a book worth re-reading as an adult if you haven't so done) where rat and mole are going to see the god, Pan. Kenneth Grahame beau... |
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Michael |
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September 7, 2014 at 3:29 am |
