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    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

I mean if you want to persist in your error, be my guest. From the first century, many Christians were already accepting Jesus as divine. It's absurd to think otherwise, given the documents that poin...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 20, 2021 at 6:15 am
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 19, 2021 at 10:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Those are all reasons that a much later proto-orthodoxy would refer to when they arrived at trinitarian beliefs - but they're not representative...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 19, 2021 at 10:49 pm
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 19, 2021 at 7:32 am)Belacqua Wrote: (January 19, 2021 at 7:05 am)Grandizer Wrote: False. The Gospel According to John already had Jesus be some sort of divine figure, and even Paul saw Je...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 19, 2021 at 10:44 am
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

What you specifically stated is false, though. Jesus was seen as a god at some time during the first two centuries, first century even, since the emergence of Christianity. The rest of what you said ...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 19, 2021 at 10:05 am
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 19, 2021 at 12:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Christianity had been plugging along for three centuries before the first trinitarian christians existed.  Jesus wasn't even a god for the first...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 19, 2021 at 7:05 am
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 18, 2021 at 9:32 pm)Belacqua Wrote: I'll take a guess on this one.  I think it's because many of the terms are different names for the same thing. So God is Being, which is one name for hi...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 18, 2021 at 10:33 pm
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 18, 2021 at 7:21 pm)Belacqua Wrote: The thing, the principles by which it operates, and the spirit of the thing, can't exist separately. And since they are not material objects with extensi...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 18, 2021 at 8:37 pm
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

(January 16, 2021 at 10:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Correct; depending on what one means by that. For example, the identify of the whole atom is embodied in the number of protons (12 Protons = Carb...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 16, 2021 at 11:17 pm
    Thread: What is your conversion standard?
Post: RE: What is your conversion standard?

Nothing would convince me to be a Christian. Christianity isn't supposed to be just faith; it's a commitment. One that I have no motivation for, even if the Christian God was real and the main tenets ...
Grandizer Atheism 21 633 January 16, 2021 at 9:53 pm
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

A particle in an atom does not embody the fullness of the whole atom, right?
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 16, 2021 at 9:39 pm
    Thread: The Trinity
Post: RE: The Trinity

The official doctrine of the Trinity goes like this: God is one in being (so monotheism, not tritheism or a family of Gods, such as in Mormonism). Nevertheless, God is three Persons in one Being. Th...
Grandizer Christianity 127 2869 January 15, 2021 at 5:06 pm
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

Learning isn't an indicator of phenomenal consciousness anyway. Of course robots can learn. It's easy to conceive of this possibility programmatically. Sometimes people use words like experience to m...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 11, 2021 at 8:39 pm
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

(January 11, 2021 at 12:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You can assume that whenever I refer to panpsychism I am not referring to any position which could be validly characterized as "not true panpsyc...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 11, 2021 at 12:47 pm
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

On panpsychism, from the same link you got that quote from: Quote:Panpsychism is the view that all things have a mind or a mind-like quality. The word itself was coined by the Italian philosopher Fra...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 11, 2021 at 12:25 pm
    Thread: Do you think social media affects public opinion?
Post: RE: Do you think social media affects public opini...

It goes two ways I think. Public opinion also shapes the trends that occur on social media.
Grandizer Technology & Computing 14 260 January 11, 2021 at 7:01 am
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

(January 11, 2021 at 2:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Quote:More importantly, how does the brain conjure up that what you call "illusion"? In the manner that I think you've been asking - it very lite...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 11, 2021 at 4:17 am
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

(January 10, 2021 at 7:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (January 10, 2021 at 7:36 am)Grandizer Wrote: Hypothesized, but how would you even demonstrate that, given the difficulty of doing so with othe...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 11, 2021 at 12:47 am
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

(January 10, 2021 at 12:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Illusionism may be wrong...but it's not incoherent.  In attention schema theory, it's hypothesized that the thing we call consciousness might co...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 10, 2021 at 7:36 am
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

Given illusionism, the issue I care most about is how does this "inaccurate report of an illusory consciousness process" (which is pretty much phenomenological, no matter how illusionists want to spin...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 9, 2021 at 11:17 pm
    Thread: Good read on consciousness
Post: RE: Good read on consciousness

(January 9, 2021 at 12:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Are we clearly experiencing anything?  The problems with any statement that rests on that assertion just jump right out, I'm sure. Not a thing -...
Grandizer Philosophy 41 987 January 9, 2021 at 4:33 am