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Death Penalty
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 Quote:I think the biggest problem with the death penalty is that too many mistakes are made in the criminal justice system. Seriously...that's the 'biggest problem' with capital punishment? It isn't a matter of 'mistakes'. If a man is caught on undoctored video gunning down a group of four year old children and then burning the bodies, the death penalty is still wrong. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
 (August 30, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: I think the biggest problem with the death penalty is that too many mistakes are made in the criminal justice system. If a mistake is discovered and the person is in prison, the person can be set free. If they were executed, then even partial restitution is impossible. We do have a big imprisonment problem, and part of that is the for-profit prison systems and the war on drugs. however, only about 4% of executions are mistakes, and that number is likely to go down over time. 4% is still a lot of people, but it would be even lower is they only killed people in the most extreme cases.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html  (August 30, 2015 at 10:07 am)robvalue Wrote: Personally I'd rather be done in than spend the rest of my life in jail. I've always felt that way. Some mistakes you just can't undo. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
Quote:We do have a big imprisonment problem, and part of that is the for-profit prison systems and the war on drugs. however, only about 4% of executions are mistakes, and that number is likely to go down over time. 4% is still a lot of people, but it would be even lower is they only killed people in the most extreme cases. Specifically, what percentage of innocent people executed by the State do you find acceptable? A quick google informs me that there are about 3000 people in the US awaiting execution (the number fluctuates). Assuming your 4% figure is correct, then 120 innocent people are facing capital punishment. Would you be happy if it were 3% (90 people), 2% (60 people), or some smaller figure? Let's go all the way to the low end and assume - since no system of justice can ever be made perfect - that only a single USian inmate is wrong executed. Would you support that system? After all, it's only one person who died for a crime they did not commit. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
I would support that system as long as that unfortunate little puker aian't me
What percentage of batshit crazy people in the world do you find acceptable? It's a loaded question. I'd rather not have anything less than perfection, but I don't want to throw out a system because occasionally something bad happens.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html 
I have never heard any convincing reason that is pro-death penalty.
I was just looking at this series of data and statistics the other day. Perfect place to share it! Graphs about the Death Penalty
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― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (August 30, 2015 at 2:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(August 30, 2015 at 2:30 am)pool Wrote: Why do we kill people for killing people to show that killing is wrong? Braggart. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 RE: Death Penalty
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(August 30, 2015 at 2:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: What percentage of batshit crazy people in the world do you find acceptable? It's a loaded question. I'd rather not have anything less than perfection, but I don't want to throw out a system because occasionally something bad happens. When a system results in such an unrepairable error, it should not be in place. Injustice is inevitably corrosive to our system of justice, and what is more unjust than killing an innocent man for a crime he didn't commit? Shit, we're here on an atheist forum, and that is one of our arguments against a good God -- that he killed the innocent in order to deliver "justice" -- and you're here allowing that that isn't really that bad? Perhaps were it you awaiting your own unjust execution, would that modify your views? |
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