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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:29 pm
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(February 21, 2017 at 2:21 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It may seem to be 5 years from one point of reference and 50 years for another due to the way our measuring of time works.... but it's objectively the same amount of time that's passed... That's the thing, it's not an objective amount. 5 years have passed for space guy, 50 years have passed for earth guy.
If it's objective then only 5 years or 50 years have passed. Which one is it?
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:31 pm
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(February 21, 2017 at 2:24 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (February 21, 2017 at 2:10 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It's the entire subject of the thread. Are you on the right thread? No wonder you're confused.
If you took my advice to study more physics, because it is what we are talking about, as an insult, then I feel sorry for you.
Seeing your replies to me on this matter just showcase that, I am not going to bother in schooling you, given your youtube grade philosobable and logic. You may crow victory now, IDGAF about your ignorance. Its your problem, not mine.
*over and out*
My argument is that physics and the theory of relativity and the experience of time is not the same thing as actual time or the impossiblity of time travel.
You're telling me to study physics but you haven't actually addressed any of my points.
Either address my points or don't answer me because IDGAF about your ignorance of logic and your poisoning the well over my watching of youtube videos when your own logic level is clearly miles behind that level anyways.
I didn't take you telling me to study physics as an insult. I took it as you being irrelevant and not addressing my points. I'm saying physics isn't relevant to time travel and I'm right.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 7:13 am)pool the great Wrote: Define "exist"..?
If we define exist as whatever that is present in the present then past and future does not exist...
LostLocke Wrote:That's true, to the person in the same reference frame as the 60 seconds, but not necessarily to someone outside that frame.
So here's my confusion: if 60 seconds is 60 second regardless of speed for a person then how does one person age faster than the other?
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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(February 21, 2017 at 2:29 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (February 21, 2017 at 2:21 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It may seem to be 5 years from one point of reference and 50 years for another due to the way our measuring of time works.... but it's objectively the same amount of time that's passed... That's the thing, it's not an objective amount. 5 years have passed for space guy, 50 years have passed for earth guy.
If it's objective then only 5 years or 50 years have passed. Which one is it?
Exactly it's not an objective amount because science can't even measure objective time. Science requires observers and subjects and can hence only measure subjective and relative time.
Science is a tool to study our experience of the world, not the world itself, and physics is a branch of that.
The point is, yes time travel is a bunch of crap and the theory of relativity is not time travel.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:40 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Exactly it's not an objective amount because science can't even measure objective time. Because there is no 'global' objective time. Just like there is no objective distance or objective speed.
If you are 10 miles away from something and I'm 5 miles away from that same thing, it is objectively 10 miles for you and objectively 5 miles for me, but both are only relative to the other person. Same with time.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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What do you mean there is no global or objective time? There is no global objective experience of time, yes. But that's not to say there is no global or objective time.
We could say that time itself is just a concept. But that wouldn't really make much sense at all. The concept of time is a concept. Time itself is, well, time. If it exists at all.
Or we could say that there are many different points in time none of which can be accurately measured but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It would be the B theory of time.
You can't really say there's no objective or global time until you've defined time first. Are you an A theory or a B theorist or neither? If neither what are your
arguments against both camps? Are you an eternalist or presentist? Etc, etc.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Proof of time "travel"?
I'm speaking to you from your future...
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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Holy crap you're right!! You're several hours ahead of me!
What happens to me in the next few hours? Do I manage to convince anyone that illogical arguments are illogical and I'm not talking about physics or do I implode?
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm
You don't die.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
February 21, 2017 at 2:48 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You don't die.
YAY!!!!!!!!
This makes me INVINCIBLE for the next few hours.
That's fun! I'm gonna go play in traffic now like I've always wanted to but my mommy wouldn't let me!
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