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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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3 days of suffering in exchange for an eternity as 'God' is not a sacrifice.
I hate flying, not because I am afraid to fly, but because the seats are uncomfortable, airports are a pain in the ass, packing is annoying, etc.
I spent 15 hours in a plane last summer when I flew to Australia on a 4 week surfing trip. Not once did I think I was making a sacrifice while on the flight in exchange for the 4 weeks of pure joy I felt while in Australia.
Why would 3 days of torture be a sacrifice for an eternity as 'God'?
Just how long would it take to forget the torture? A 1000 years? A million? Who cares? No matter how long it takes, you would still have an eternity ahead of you.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 12:58 pm
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if you are asking "literally" ... no reason because he stood against literal and look at what they did to him for that. But even that showed you can't fight the system. If you mean fable like ... pick one. There are many good lessons to be learnt.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:01 pm
(August 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: 3 days of suffering in exchange for an eternity as 'God' is not a sacrifice. But that's not the case, as he was already God.
Quote:Just how long would it take to forget the torture? A 1000 years? A million? Who cares? No matter how long it takes, you would still have an eternity ahead of you.
An omniscient god may very well never forget.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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(August 2, 2014 at 1:01 pm)alpha male Wrote: (August 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: 3 days of suffering in exchange for an eternity as 'God' is not a sacrifice. But that's not the case, as he was already God.
That doesn't help your case.
Quote:An omniscient god may very well never forget.
So.
He still has an eternity as the all powerful ruler of the universe. Not a bad trade off for a few bad memories,
I still remember my uncomfortable, pain in the ass, 15 hour plane flight to Australia. That memory did not detract one bit from my enjoyment I had for the 4 weeks I was in Australia.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm
(August 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That doesn't help your case. Sure it does. He had no sin and so deserved no punishment, yet took it for us.
Quote:So.
He still has an eternity as the all powerful ruler of the universe. Not a bad trade off for a few bad memories,
There you go again. He was already the all pwerful ruler of the universe. He did not receive it in a trade for his suffering.
Quote:I still remember my uncomfortable, pain in the ass, 15 hour plane flight to Australia. That memory did not detract one bit from my enjoyment I had for the 4 weeks I was in Australia.
Suppose you were already in Australia, then had to take a 15-hour flight to get something that your wife had forgotten to pack. I bet you'd bitch about that, and consider the time and money spent as a sacrifice for your wife.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Quote:You have the burden of proof to show that a perfect world is even possible...(sound of crickets)
Hang on there, Chad. You clowns insist that your boy can do anything. If he chooses not to either he doesn't give a flying fuck or he doesn't exist in the first place.
I choose option "b" because even god couldn't be a big enough dick for "a."
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Jesus' death was a sacrifice because the materials used could have made a perfectly good bench.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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(August 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm)alpha male Wrote: Sure it does. He had no sin and so deserved no punishment, yet took it for us.
He already knew he was god and had an eternity ahead of him. 3 days of torture, with that in mind, is nothing.
It is infinitely better than a 15 hour uncomfortable plane ride knowing that there is 4 weeks of enjoyment as the payoff.
Quote:Suppose you were already in Australia, then had to take a 15-hour flight to get something that your wife had forgotten to pack. I bet you'd bitch about that, and consider the time and money spent as a sacrifice for your wife.
Sure, because it would cut into my 4 weeks in Australia.
If I could get the extra time and money added back to my trip, it is not anywhere near as big a deal.
But God had an ETERNITY ahead of him. 3 days is nothing compared to that. He looses nothing for his 3 days of torture.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm
(August 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (August 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm)alpha male Wrote: Sure it does. He had no sin and so deserved no punishment, yet took it for us.
He already knew he was god and had an eternity ahead of him. 3 days of torture, with that in mind, is nothing.
It is infinitely better than a 15 hour uncomfortable plane ride knowing that there is 4 weeks of enjoyment as the payoff.
Quote:Suppose you were already in Australia, then had to take a 15-hour flight to get something that your wife had forgotten to pack. I bet you'd bitch about that, and consider the time and money spent as a sacrifice for your wife.
Sure, because it would cut into my 4 weeks in Australia.
If I could get the extra time and money added back to my trip, it is not anywhere as big a deal.
But God had an ETERNITY ahead of him. 3 days is nothing compared to that. He looses nothing for his 3 days of torture.
Lets not forget that he himself created the world and everything in it knowing this would happen! Its like someone setting a house on fire, rescuing the people inside, and then demanding they treat him as a hero and thank him for saving their lives. Also sacrifice means your facing limited options, in gods case why did anyone need to be sacrificed in the first place, seems he would of had an infinite number of possible solutions besides human sacrifice.
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RE: Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?
August 2, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Quote:3 days of torture
More like 3 hours. (Which makes 'jesus' something of a wimp...most victims survived far longer.) The rest of the time the christards claim he was sleeping it off like a bad hangover.
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