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Poll: Are you an atheist or anti-theist?
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Atheist vs Anti-theist
#61
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
(July 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: You are being obtuse. If you focus on emotion in creating art it doesn't make it irrational to do so in the least. In fact, it makes it quite rational precisely because it informs and betters your artistic process.


You realize that feeling emotions is not a rational process, right?

Right?

... and you call me "obtuse"?

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#62
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
(July 13, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(July 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: You are being obtuse. If you focus on emotion in creating art it doesn't make it irrational to do so in the least. In fact, it makes it quite rational precisely because it informs and betters your artistic process.


You realize that feeling emotions is not a rational process, right?

Right?

... and you call me "obtuse"?

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I realize no such thing. You are too much of a simpleton, clearly, if you believe emotions are 'irrational'.
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#63
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
Hey, name-calling as an argument online ... what an interesting new development.

Maybe when you can formulate a cogent line of reasoning to support your point, you'll get more attention from me. As of now, I'm not going to feed your complex.

Say, do you have any of your works online?

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#64
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
(July 14, 2015 at 10:53 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Hey, name-calling as an argument online ... what an interesting new development.

Maybe when you can formulate a cogent line of reasoning to support your point, you'll get more attention from me.  As of now, I'm not going to feed your complex.

Say, do you have any of your works online?

I think you know what I mean when I say that part of creating art is not irrational. This means to say, the fact that you allow it to influence your work is rational in itself.

Sorry for calling names, though. Sometimes I get frustrated when people are being to focused on only one part of the problem failing to see what the other might mean overall. It's hard to transmit clearly what you mean over the internet for it would take a very long time if when the person you talk to is bound on understanding everything in only one (subjective) way. Rather, you should try making sense of what the interlocutor really means by paying attention to context.

I haven't published online. I actually haven't written anything in a long time. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I hope you'll agree, given what I just said above.

I am curious as to what you have published though, since you brought it up.
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#65
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
I am not anti-theist simply because there are always layers to everything. I have seen humanistic theists who do their best to not let their beliefs affect the decisions they make here and now. They don't usher in apocalyptic ideas etc. I've also seen fundies who are the exact opposite. I was one myself at one time. I can deal with the former and but not with the latter.
**Crickets** -- God
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#66
RE: Atheist vs Anti-theist
(July 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:
(July 14, 2015 at 10:53 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Hey, name-calling as an argument online ... what an interesting new development.

Maybe when you can formulate a cogent line of reasoning to support your point, you'll get more attention from me.  As of now, I'm not going to feed your complex.

Say, do you have any of your works online?

I think you know what I mean when I say that part of creating art is not irrational. This means to say, the fact that you allow it to influence your work is rational in itself.

Sorry for calling names, though. Sometimes I get frustrated when people are being to focused on only one part of the problem failing to see what the other might mean overall. It's hard to transmit clearly what you mean over the internet for it would take a very long time if when the person you talk to is bound on understanding everything in only one (subjective) way. Rather, you should try making sense of what the interlocutor really means by paying attention to context.

I haven't published online. I actually haven't written anything in a long time. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I hope you'll agree, given what I just said above.

I am curious as to what you have published though, since you brought it up.

Well, I ain't a published writer, meaning I don't make money doing it -- which may or may not be a critique on my skill, you can run with that as you see fit. I was talking about the creative act itself, though, not the career aspect of creativity. I'll drop a chapter from a book I wrote in the hide tag at the bottom of this post, though, so you can see that I'm not talking out my ass. I'll also link to an original composition/performance, and some other stuff I've done. I've never been published as a writer. I have gigged as a musician, and I won a small scholarship for art out of high school about 541 years ago.

In terms of this discussion, I'm not focused only on one thing, anyway.  I'm not saying art cannot use rationality -- of course it can, and moreover, should.  However, it should also make equal use of the irrational emotions in the moment, in my view, in order to give the piece its own stamp. I'm not saying art is completely irrational.  I'm saying art makes good use of the irrational at times.

In that sense, irrationality is useful, and doesn't poison the basket.  That was my point.










Each of those pieces had both rational and irrational bases. I find utility in the irrational in my creative endeavors. If you don't, I'd recommend you look into it, because it might help you get where you want to be in your art. Just a thought.

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