RE: Argument from Conscience
August 7, 2015 at 10:10 am
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2015 at 10:23 am by robvalue.)
No, we all have our own standards of morality individually. That much is clear.
You keep implying Kingpin that it is logically possible to condemn someone with absolute certainty. Again, this is just the way you want things to be. Morality is a matter of discussion, and you can't even begin to decide what is moral and what is not until you decide what outcomes are important, and what is valuable. Otherwise it's one person giving out an arbitrary list.
You seem to be ignoring my entire short essay on why this is absurd, so I will leave the matter.
As for Yahweh, my interpretation of his character is not a madcap one. I assume you have read the Old Testament? It's laid out plain to see that Yahweh is a horrible monster with just about every bad (and human) character flaw there could be.
PS: This is why science demands evidence. Logic alone is not enough to prove anything exists, because we cannot be sure we haven't gone wrong or oversimplified reality. So just saying "it must logically be there" is not enough to demonstrate that it is there; and "where" this standard is meant to be, or what the point of it is (see my essay) is beyond me.
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You keep implying Kingpin that it is logically possible to condemn someone with absolute certainty. Again, this is just the way you want things to be. Morality is a matter of discussion, and you can't even begin to decide what is moral and what is not until you decide what outcomes are important, and what is valuable. Otherwise it's one person giving out an arbitrary list.
You seem to be ignoring my entire short essay on why this is absurd, so I will leave the matter.
As for Yahweh, my interpretation of his character is not a madcap one. I assume you have read the Old Testament? It's laid out plain to see that Yahweh is a horrible monster with just about every bad (and human) character flaw there could be.
PS: This is why science demands evidence. Logic alone is not enough to prove anything exists, because we cannot be sure we haven't gone wrong or oversimplified reality. So just saying "it must logically be there" is not enough to demonstrate that it is there; and "where" this standard is meant to be, or what the point of it is (see my essay) is beyond me.
I'm enjoying the discussion however

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