(August 7, 2015 at 11:04 am)lkingpinl Wrote:(August 7, 2015 at 10:57 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: There seems to be a line here that some people are taking that morals are set and immovable.
This position is demonstrably wrong.
You only have to read the bible to see that what was considered the moral thing to do is now considered immoral itself because societies have changed and adjusted.
Our society now is the most moral ever and that is precisely because we have moved away from religious thinking.
The most immoral societies are the most religiously fundamental, ISIS for example.
And what exactly were the fundamental views of the Third Reich, Stalin regime and the RedGuard rebellion? I find your statement demonstrably fallacious
OH MY FUCKING SHIT THE THIRD REICH WAS OPENLY AND EXPRESSLY CHRISTIAN WHY CAN'T YOU THEISTS GET THIS THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULLLZZZ???!!!
Like damn, people. Seriously. The Nazi movement was not atheistic. Hitler was most likely not atheistic. If you google "What religion are Nazis?" Christianity and its definition are the first thing you see, followed by pages of links that affirm this with citation. The Nazis tore down a bunch of other churches to set up their own, and it was a CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!
FUCK!!!
Ok...whoo, sorry. I've just been seeing this, like, every 10 seconds lately. The Nazi movement was knowingly, publicly, and demonstrably Christian. I'm sure you or someone else will be inclined to pull out the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, to which I will respond by politely telling whoever does that to shove that argument into his or her ass and twist it until it catches on something.
As for Communism, Communist dictators tend to repress religion on the basis that its power is a threat to the state. Suppressing opposing ideologies is also a common practice amongst Theocracies, however, so you can't really attribute that to atheist thought. That seems to be more a feature of power dynamics than anything.
Seriously, though, I must implore you and other theists to stop using the Nazis as an example of the impact of atheism. It makes you look uninformed and/or dishonest. Nazism is not atheistic. Still isn't, in fact. Look up the stats on Neo-Nazis and see if you can figure out how many of them are religious versus non. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
