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Anti gay-marriage atheist??
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
(August 31, 2015 at 3:47 am)Nestor Wrote:
(August 30, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My husband left for a trip and I'm bored. Meaning It's one of those evenings where I look for any excuse to post lol. 

I was browsing my facebook news feed today and came across this article called The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage, posted by an acquaintance on my friend's list. I thought it was very out of character and was curious to hear you guys' opinions/comments/counter arguments on the points being made. Fire away!! 
If that surprises you, check out this interesting argument against gay marriage (written in the late 90s or early 00s, I think) by philosopher Claudia Card, a LESBIAN:
https://pol285.blog.gustavus.edu/files/2...rriage.pdf

Her basic argument is something like, if males had only been allowed to own slaves in the 19th century, it would have been dumb for females to fight for that right rather than abolishing the institution itself. And she then makes the case that marriage is a flawed institution which cannot be fixed for the following reasons:
1. Employer benefits are limited to married persons, punishing those that choose not to be married.
2. Pressures not to divorce because of consequences keep people trapped in abusive relationships.
3. The idea of monogamy bars possible loving relationships with others.
4. Legal right of access makes the state a third party to your marriage.

Hence, gays and lesbians should not support the right to marry.

Wow, can't say I've ever heard that before lol. Thanks for sharing.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 30, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mr.wizard - August 30, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by thehedglin - August 30, 2015 at 7:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 30, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Spooky - August 30, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Minimalist - August 30, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 30, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 4:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:59 am
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 3:14 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 3:47 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ignoramus - August 31, 2015 at 6:52 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 31, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 6:54 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 9:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - September 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - September 1, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 3:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - September 1, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 2, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Losty - September 8, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Brian37 - September 8, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 9, 2015 at 3:35 am
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