Even at the height of the Save Our Children clusterfuck, I do not recall any general suggestions for gays to arm themselves. AFAIK, all the legislative and judicial accomplishments have been achieved without armed conflict. The Dan White Riot, while pretty disruptive (burning police cars as I recall, and sadly the ornate brass doors to City Hall being destroyed), was done as far as I know with out gunfire.
I also don't recall anything besides vigorous civil protests during the AIDS crisis, regardless of the provocation.
I was in a march of 250,000 (all my closest friends) in Chicago in '79 and it was entirely peaceful. Worst anyone had to deal with was sunburn since it was a long march and the sun was fiercely bright.
I was at another 'demonstration' in Dubuque. It was planned and announced far in advance, so not a spontaneous 'uprising'. I recall being there early and when the police arrived I realized the police were only there to search the area for bombs. Had there been any, it would have been from the 'other side' obviously. A march/'parade in Iowa City was well attended, I even remember the chant we used, "Our liberties we prize, our rights we will maintain", and that is the motto for Iowa. Tough to argue with, although some local preachers tried. And that was as nasty as it got.
I don't know this has been remarked upon, but I'd be hard pressed to note any other enormous political/civil/judicial gains such as the gays achieved in as little time (in my adult life time nearly, I was 12 when the Stonewall Riot occurred), and with as little actual bloodshed. Perhaps the rationale to not granting those advances being more based on religious ideas was why it went so fast? If all an objector has is ancient scriptures backing up his prejudice, it doesn't (eventually) carry the same gravitas as actual evidence. I recall a judge tasked with ruling on same-sex marriage early on noting the lawyers addressing the 'hell no' side had given excellent arguments in ruling against allowing divorce, not in banning same-sex marriage, he even told them that. When that level of faulty reasoning is the best arrow in your quiver (along with Godsedso), your side is going to have huge problems in fairly administered courts.
As we saw.
Jesus fucking christ, I've been a closet peacenik all along ??
I also don't recall anything besides vigorous civil protests during the AIDS crisis, regardless of the provocation.
I was in a march of 250,000 (all my closest friends) in Chicago in '79 and it was entirely peaceful. Worst anyone had to deal with was sunburn since it was a long march and the sun was fiercely bright.
I was at another 'demonstration' in Dubuque. It was planned and announced far in advance, so not a spontaneous 'uprising'. I recall being there early and when the police arrived I realized the police were only there to search the area for bombs. Had there been any, it would have been from the 'other side' obviously. A march/'parade in Iowa City was well attended, I even remember the chant we used, "Our liberties we prize, our rights we will maintain", and that is the motto for Iowa. Tough to argue with, although some local preachers tried. And that was as nasty as it got.
I don't know this has been remarked upon, but I'd be hard pressed to note any other enormous political/civil/judicial gains such as the gays achieved in as little time (in my adult life time nearly, I was 12 when the Stonewall Riot occurred), and with as little actual bloodshed. Perhaps the rationale to not granting those advances being more based on religious ideas was why it went so fast? If all an objector has is ancient scriptures backing up his prejudice, it doesn't (eventually) carry the same gravitas as actual evidence. I recall a judge tasked with ruling on same-sex marriage early on noting the lawyers addressing the 'hell no' side had given excellent arguments in ruling against allowing divorce, not in banning same-sex marriage, he even told them that. When that level of faulty reasoning is the best arrow in your quiver (along with Godsedso), your side is going to have huge problems in fairly administered courts.
As we saw.
Jesus fucking christ, I've been a closet peacenik all along ??
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