RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 2:46 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 2:49 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 16, 2016 at 11:41 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Furthermore Rhythm fails to understand that 2+2=4 must apply to all universes and not just our own because two things and two things being four things is ultimately the same as saying four things is four thingsNo, it's not. It's saying that the sum of two and two, is four.
Quote:or A=A and again that's a law that even alternative universes can't violate. It's basic modal logic. Universes must correspond to logical absolutes such as A=A for them to even be logically possible... not the other way around. You can't have a hypothetical universe where A does not =A because that would be a hypothetical universe that wasn't a hypothetical universe. The whole meaning behind A=A is something is what it is. If that doesn't apply then everything is meaningless. All hypothetical unvierses and alternative laws of logic still presuppose the law of identity/A=AYou're describing a necessary condition, but not a sufficient condition.
Quote:and 2+2=4 and 2+2=2+2 and 4=4, whether there are 'other' logical laws that are 'not our own' or not. Although my strong intuition is that the only logical absolutes that there are apply to all universes and all realities.... after all if there are multiple universes it's still all part of one reality.It;s not an issue of logical laws, as was explained to you. It's an issue of enumeration. There's a reason we don't count 1, 3, 5 - and it isn't logic, nor is it the law of identity, lol.
Quote:lol. And you even got confused bullshit like 2+2 can =5 because 'in another universe something else could pop into existence'That's what it would be here, and that's the only way to describe it here. But if that other thing popped into existence, there...they wouldn't count 1, 2, 3 4...they'd count 1, 3 5 and the notion of 2+2 (a nonexistent quantity to them) would seem nonsensical. Other Ham would be yammering on about "identity, identity, identity" against the very notion of 2 or 4, or that 2 and 2 was 4. Because 1+1=3, and 3+1=5, and this must be true in all universes.That's so fucking confused. 2+2=4 + another thing isn't 2+2=5 it's 2+2=4 + another thing
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