(October 31, 2017 at 6:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: "It's not a question of where he grips it, it's a simple question of weight ratios...."
(October 30, 2017 at 12:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: An omniscient mind could certainly rank value of a property or ability on a better-than scale because it could consider all logically possible scenarios at once. Therefore maximal greatness can be know by an omniscient mind and therefore 'value' is not subjective.
It's a simple matter, Steve. Either values are subjective, or they are objective. According to traditional theist assertions, the universe itself doesn't contain any objective values. Therefore any values you do find must be subjective. This notion that with enough knowledge the values would somehow magically appear is incoherent. It's like trying to assert that there is a "best" flavor of ice cream. It's not a question of how much knowledge we have about ice cream and potential ice cream eaters. Knowledge alone can't overcome the basic problem that there simply is no fact of the matter. Surely the aardvark will say that ant-flavored ice cream is the best, and the lion will swear that it's gazelle-flavored ice cream that's the best. But these opinions are clearly nothing more than the product of their natures. If God has a favorite ice cream flavor, it too will be an arbitrary artifact of his nature. No amount of knowledge on his part will create an objective criterion for evaluating ice cream where none actually exists. If your God has a preference for one thing or another, that's simply him asserting his subjective values in the matter. His values are not in any sense privileged over mine. Knowledge doesn't translate into values, no matter how many times you repeat the argument.
As a creator, would a God be able to create value in his creation? Like in Monopoly. If you are playing the game, Boardwalk costs 400 monopoly dollars. Those are the rules of the game. Outside of the game, the value is subjective, but in the game, if you want to buy Boardwalk, it's a fixed cost.
If our existence is God's creation, couldn't It assign value to random shit, and as long as you're existing, those be the rules? Seems like their could be some authority in being the creator/designer on this front.