If it wasn't for religion

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There are bad things - the moral fact.
holocaust is a bad thing - the value judgement.
we should avoid doing bad things because of x - the evaluative proposition.  

Lets try the same thing with food taste.

1.)There are bad things (things that taste bad), and good things (things that taste good). A taste fact

Indian food tastes bad - the value judgement

We should avoid eating things that taste bad because of x - the evaluative proposition.

I’m a taste realist. I believe in objective tastism.

Tell me why this argument for objective tastism is false, since it borrows your basic logic.


Or let's try it alternatively.


2.)There are bad things, just like there are yellow things, and blue things, and circle things, and square things. Moral Goodness and Badness exist independently of us, reality possess good and bad moral properties, that exist indepedently of our minds, just like yellow and blue do.

Reality possess “the stuff of morality”, which our minds can perceive, but exists independently of them, exists objectively. A persons inability to see the bad or good things, is sort of like being color blind, and not seeing the objective yellowness of my wife’s dress.


Do you agree with 2?

Until you can establish a superstitious requirement to moral realism or civil rights this is as doa as it was the first time you asserted it. Simple empirical facts such as the existence of atheists in the civil rights movement and the preponderance of atheists advocating for moral realism, combined with the presence of influential atheists in both areas tells me that you're just flat out wrong.

No atheists and others have and can support and be a part of things like the civil rights movement, and lack the basic moral commitments of folks like MLK, in his belief in a moral order of the cosmos. But their lack of such commitments render them unable to rise above sheep following a shepherd willing to make the commitments they refuse to, or an unable too. Their lack of commitments to such beliefs renders them unable to be an MLK, though they can be supportive followers of him.