If it wasn't for religion

[Acrobat]

“The referent is some property or properties of an act.”

I don’t think we mean the same thing when we say “stuff”.

So I’ll ask the question again, without the word.

Are the referent  properties of the act, material properties?

I think so, yes.  That's a defining portion of natural realism.......

I’m just giving you the opportunity to clarify, so I don’t keep getting accused of misinterpreting you.

You're fishing.  You shouldn't have to.  You claimed that my realism must be contradictory, incoherent, or delusional.  You shouldn't need clarification on anything.  You can't l cogently make that claim in ignorance or without already possessing clarity.

So goodness and badness are also material properties that exist independent of our minds?