The Issue of Islamic Conservatism

[Leonardo17]

 You can be an atheist and still ask to the perpetrators of 9/11 “What part of the scripture saying ‘Thou Shalt not kill’ did you somehow manage to miss?

They didn't miss shit Leo.  For every fragment of a directive that you can dig out of magic books that you like, the people who you disagree with can do the same.   Islamists aren't doing islam wrong.  You are.  It's their religion.  It's always been their religion.  How often, and for how long, must reformers fail before we can acknowledge it was a shitty enterprise from the word go?

Scripture™ is a uniquely bad reason to do or not do anything.

I agree with the final statement. There should be laws directing people only to believe in what they can directly observe or verify with experiments done to see if someone is completely right or not. Trying to do things by believing what somebody or some book said is full of risks from the very beginning.
 
What mystics “believe” is called intuition. For us it is a method of perceiving things without our material senses. But let’s not get into that
 
I’ve just read that Greta is being held in very difficult conditions in the Negev desert right now:
 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/o...aza-sweden
 
Of course most of the press in my country is multiplying the truth by 10 before supplying it to the ordinary citizens.
 
/ What I am emphasizing here is this: Typical Jews and typical Muslims as you name them are not going to be able to solve this issue. There is clearly two sides in this issue.
 
Those who believe in our identities as men and women. The history of humanity is older than the history of religion. We believe in reconciliation and peace. Than there are those like Netanyahu. Who believe in some interpretation of religious scriptures, but are unable to change anything on the ground.
 
The Netanyahu way of thinking is not any different from the Hamas way of thinking.
 
And again, it’s atheists or secular people who are trying to solve the issue. Islamists try to get their share by joining the flotilla as you saw in the video provided above. Israel uses this as an opportunity to prove that the peace flotilla itself is evil and anti-Semite.
 
So who is trying to solve the issue (as part of the flotilla or as demonstrators all over the world)?
 
- We are. I mean everybody, except people who believe that politics and religion should work hand in hand in order to achieve thing in this world.
 
So for me that’s the main issue here.
The religion you are talking about also exists. But I am saying it shouldn’t exist anymore. It’s completely inefficient and outdated and a perfect breeding ground for ideologies of hatred and intolerance. And I believe that today, anybody is able to see this, so they all take precaution either by studying what is what and which part fits where while remaining a believer. Or they simply throw the whole thing away and don’t spend anymore of their energy and time on matters that have become totally useless to them.
 
So (for me) both ways are good as long as it suits you. But I have my reserves on all forms of politicized religion. I cannot criticize Mussolini and say that politicized religion is ok. It would be incoherent to do so