Satan Disproves Christianity

[John V]

Could you be a little clearer, in that case? Because to me, all I'm seeing is a bunch of scaffolding that may or may not be true, around a central premise that may or may not be true, with nothing one might call evidence involved.

No, nothing that you personally call evidence. You don't get to dictate what other people may and may not consider evidence.

Yes, because most non-religious concepts conform to what we know to be true about the physical world. I might believe things after hearing testimony on them, but that stops when we start talking about claims that violate the physical laws of the universe, one way or another.

As I predicted, the issue is philosophy more than evidence.

If you want be to believe that there was a man named Jesus Christ then fine, but the moment you start claiming that he walked on water or raised from the dead, I'm going to start requiring more evidence, because those things do not happen. It's the same level of evidence that stops you from believing alien abduction stories sight unseen, but for whatever reason you lower that bar when it comes to equally fantastic claims from the bible.

Actually I've never read an alien abduction account and am skeptical but agnostic regarding them. I don't consider them further because there's no need to. Same with bigfoot, which others have mentioned. Maybe there's something out there, maybe not. I don't really care. OTOH, religious claims, if true, do impact me.

There's also a little thing called corroboration; the majority of testimony that I would accept can be confirmed through multiple sources, and yet aside from the bible there are no accounts of any of the miracle claims therein.

The Bible is a collection of multiple sources.

Cast the gnomes from your mind. Now we're talking about gods. Ones that people fully believe to be true, and the books written about them purport to be non-fiction. Does that help clarify what I'm trying to do, here?

I've discussed Islam, which fits those criteria.

What other factors would you use in determining this? That's what I'm interested in hearing about.

No, you're apparently not interested, as I've presented other criteria and you pretend like you haven't heard them.

Seriously, I don't give a shit about the gnomes.

Seriously, you're not the only person reading this, and some atheists think that IPU and FSM (which are the same as the gnomes) are hot-shit arguments against Christianity.