Question for Muslims:
My understanding of Islam isn't as extensive as of Christianity so perhaps some of Muslim subscribers or those more versed can answer this.
My understanding is that Jesus is considered a "great prophet" in Islam, second only to Muhammad.
I also remember reading in the Quran, I forget which verse, where Jesus says to Allah that he never told the Christians he was the son of God.
Finally, my understanding is that it was Paul who taught the heresy to worship Jesus as an intercessor-type deity and the Son of God instead of the Muslim idea that salvation and judgment were under the power of Allah alone, a role he delegates to no one.
So if my understanding is correct, wouldn't that make Jesus a catastrophic failure as a prophet?
I mean, let's review here. He's sent on a mission to be a prophet for Islam (worship Allah alone and seek salvation and forgiveness from Allah only). He's supposed to be a forerunner for Muhammad. So he spends his life teaching this message. Then, not more than a few years after he's gone, along comes the heretic Paul who convinces everyone to pay no attention to any of these teachings, not to anticipate the future prophet Muhammad and instead to worship Jesus and pray to him for salvation and forgiveness.
And when the dust cleared, Paul won and Jesus lost. The Christians heeded the teachings of Paul and created a mythical Jesus that fit more with Paul's description instead of the Jesus of recent history.
Short of the Christians immediately converting to Satan worship, I can't imagine a more dismal failure of Jesus' mission.
So my question is how is Jesus a "great prophet"?
As a follow up question, if he is a "great prophet", what is your idea of a failure as a prophet? How bad would you have to be?
My understanding of Islam isn't as extensive as of Christianity so perhaps some of Muslim subscribers or those more versed can answer this.
My understanding is that Jesus is considered a "great prophet" in Islam, second only to Muhammad.
I also remember reading in the Quran, I forget which verse, where Jesus says to Allah that he never told the Christians he was the son of God.
Finally, my understanding is that it was Paul who taught the heresy to worship Jesus as an intercessor-type deity and the Son of God instead of the Muslim idea that salvation and judgment were under the power of Allah alone, a role he delegates to no one.
So if my understanding is correct, wouldn't that make Jesus a catastrophic failure as a prophet?
I mean, let's review here. He's sent on a mission to be a prophet for Islam (worship Allah alone and seek salvation and forgiveness from Allah only). He's supposed to be a forerunner for Muhammad. So he spends his life teaching this message. Then, not more than a few years after he's gone, along comes the heretic Paul who convinces everyone to pay no attention to any of these teachings, not to anticipate the future prophet Muhammad and instead to worship Jesus and pray to him for salvation and forgiveness.
And when the dust cleared, Paul won and Jesus lost. The Christians heeded the teachings of Paul and created a mythical Jesus that fit more with Paul's description instead of the Jesus of recent history.
Short of the Christians immediately converting to Satan worship, I can't imagine a more dismal failure of Jesus' mission.
So my question is how is Jesus a "great prophet"?
As a follow up question, if he is a "great prophet", what is your idea of a failure as a prophet? How bad would you have to be?
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
