Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

May 8, 2013 at 8:43 pm (This post was last modified: May 8, 2013 at 8:45 pm by xdrgnh.)

I'm posting in the Atheist section because a lot of people say Deism has more in common with Atheism then it does with Theism. I shall now proceed to make a simple argument for a Deist G-d.

1. Everything in our natural world AKA universe is either matter or space time.

2. Nothing in our universe can be created or destroyed. (I'm aware of quantum fluctuation and the creation of virtual particles but I do not count that as creation because the new matter is not stable and conservation laws are still upheld.)

3. Therefore the universe which is made up of matter and space time cannot of created itself via the laws of physics alone because the laws of physics don't permit such self creation.

4. Therefore the universe was created or a better term caused by something which is not composed of space time or matter.

5. This thing that must be the cause of the universe existence which is not composed of matter or spacetime is commonly called G-d.

Can anyone refute this proof of a first cause or Deism G-d?

If you cannot refute Deism then I don't see why one should call themselves an Atheist.

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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 8:43 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:04 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 9:33 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Rayaan - May 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:10 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Rayaan - May 8, 2013 at 9:29 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Gearbreak - May 8, 2013 at 9:15 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:38 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 11:36 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 12:18 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:20 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 1:12 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Tonus - May 9, 2013 at 9:40 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Baalzebutt - May 9, 2013 at 1:02 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by FifthElement - May 9, 2013 at 1:11 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 1:17 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by cneron - May 9, 2013 at 1:42 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 1:57 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 9, 2013 at 2:11 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 3:56 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by tokutter - May 10, 2013 at 8:25 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 12:15 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 1:48 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 1:55 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:57 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 2:09 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 2:18 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 2:35 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ben Davis - May 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ben Davis - May 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Simon Moon - May 9, 2013 at 12:32 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:50 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Gearbreak - May 9, 2013 at 2:03 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Napoléon - May 10, 2013 at 8:32 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 10, 2013 at 4:27 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Simon Moon - May 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm

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RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 10, 2013 at 5:05 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by The Grand Nudger - May 10, 2013 at 10:17 pm

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