RE: Dr. Doug Graham (80-10-10 raw vegan)
November 3, 2014 at 9:33 am
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 9:44 am by miniboes.)
I don't feel like citing everything again, but I'll provide the sources you requested:
Iron & Alzheimer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20150596
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19968254
http://wnit.org/braingames/pdf/risk.pdf (up to half of Alzheimer's cases seems to be preventable with diet and lifestyle changes)
B12:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/38/3/436.long
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/48/3/852.full.pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/2/514.full (1 in 6 meat eaters is b12 deficient)
On the from the water thing; it's a theory and I'm not sure where I got it from, I should have been more clear on that. What we do know is that it comes from bacteria originally and there are many ways that bacteria get into our body that are absent in modern society where we kill/remove all bacteria from our food as much as we can. The more important thing is that meat comes with a lot of baggage, like the saturated fat you mentioned, cholesterol and animal protein.
Protein and many of the diseases I mentioned:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou...t/protein/ (a good summary of why animal protein is bad)
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1203S.full.pdf (plant protein sources)
Some stuff about milk and bone health:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8610662
Heart disease & cholesterol:
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/17...l.pdf+html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21029840
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757
By the way, I'd like a source on the we need 15% of cholesterol from diet thing. And do you really think the numbers of mental illness are caused by cholesterol deficiency? The far, far majority of people eats meat, dairy and eggs constantly, so I don't think that's the problem we're facing right now.
Vegan sources of calcium:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...002412.htm
I admit there is a lot less calcium in naturally occurring plant foods than in milk, but the calcium in plant foods does come with a lot less baggage.
Well, if you're not going to rear animals there's gonna be more demand for plant foods, although admittedly plant foods need way less space than livestock. The remaining room could be used for forests, those are nice and excellent for the environment. By the way, don't delude yourself; 99% of the animals raised for slaughter live on factory farms.
The reason I think the meat and dairy industries are the biggest environmental problem right now:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/13/460552...can-fix-it
Livestock industry is resonsible for 50% of human -caused greenhouse gasses
Iron & Alzheimer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20150596
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19968254
http://wnit.org/braingames/pdf/risk.pdf (up to half of Alzheimer's cases seems to be preventable with diet and lifestyle changes)
B12:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/38/3/436.long
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/48/3/852.full.pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/2/514.full (1 in 6 meat eaters is b12 deficient)
On the from the water thing; it's a theory and I'm not sure where I got it from, I should have been more clear on that. What we do know is that it comes from bacteria originally and there are many ways that bacteria get into our body that are absent in modern society where we kill/remove all bacteria from our food as much as we can. The more important thing is that meat comes with a lot of baggage, like the saturated fat you mentioned, cholesterol and animal protein.
Protein and many of the diseases I mentioned:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou...t/protein/ (a good summary of why animal protein is bad)
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1203S.full.pdf (plant protein sources)
Some stuff about milk and bone health:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8610662
Heart disease & cholesterol:
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/17...l.pdf+html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21029840
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757
By the way, I'd like a source on the we need 15% of cholesterol from diet thing. And do you really think the numbers of mental illness are caused by cholesterol deficiency? The far, far majority of people eats meat, dairy and eggs constantly, so I don't think that's the problem we're facing right now.
Vegan sources of calcium:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...002412.htm
I admit there is a lot less calcium in naturally occurring plant foods than in milk, but the calcium in plant foods does come with a lot less baggage.
Quote:The environment? So all the land we use rearing animals, most of which is of no use for agriculture, shouldn't be used to grow livestock?
Well, if you're not going to rear animals there's gonna be more demand for plant foods, although admittedly plant foods need way less space than livestock. The remaining room could be used for forests, those are nice and excellent for the environment. By the way, don't delude yourself; 99% of the animals raised for slaughter live on factory farms.
The reason I think the meat and dairy industries are the biggest environmental problem right now:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/13/460552...can-fix-it
Livestock industry is resonsible for 50% of human -caused greenhouse gasses
