Dr. Doug Graham (80-10-10 raw vegan)

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In case you didn't notice I'm not interested at all in that claim, especially since vegan diets are iron deficient.

You said "nobody knows what causes Alzheimer's", so I present studies that have made progress in the prevention of Alzheimer and finding out what causes it. Please provide evidence for you claim on iron deficiency.

A 1983 paper, are you serious? That's when I was BORN.

You think human biology changed since then?

Anyway you're well in denial if you're saying B12 isn't a specifically vegetarian deficiency.

Have you seen the third source? If 1 in 6 meat-eaters has b12 deficiency it does not sound unique to veg*ns to me.

On the second link it states that incomplete amino acids come from plants; it is not an academic paper describing whether all humans can digest such proteins.

I just gave it to point out there are plenty of plant protein sources.

As for the first paper, it's so biased I can't believe you'd even link to it. Granted the studies they link to do show the results they claim, but they have nothing to do with protein or protein source in particular. This is just an example of data-mining.

How did you determine it is biased?

From the abstract you link to it states nothing about calcium to bone health; and it's nearly 20 years old.

There's a button on the right to the full text, here's a direct link: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/143/5/472.long

And I repeat; you think human biology changed the last 20 years?

Which I'm not going to bother to read until you demonstrate to me that you even know what cholesterol is??

Doesn't seem relevant.

You'll find that in any textbook. Try Saladin, K. Anatomy and Physiology (6th ed), 2012. To quote from that book: "There is only one kind of cholesterol, and it does far more good than harm" (p. 66).

I'll do some research on that, interesting.

You have this concept of "baggage" that is arbitrary.

Sorry, I'll explain what I mean; animal foods have useful nutrients like calcium and iron, but there is a problem with using them as sources for such, being that they always come with nutrient I believe to be unhealthy; saturated fat, trans fat, animal protein and cholesterol. This is what I call baggage. I think it is better to get these nutrients from sources that don't have this baggage, for example soy milk for protein and calcium rather than cow milk.

All are killed humanely (this is Australia I'm talking about).

What the fuck does this even mean? How does it even make a difference? How did you determine that the killing is 'humane'? If I kill a man, but he experienced no pain, would it be okay for me to kill him? Is that the sort of morals you live by?

That's true, but I'm not concerned about anthropogenic GHGs.

Why would you not be?