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World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Perhaps but it DOES NOT prove that Christ figure was real in a physical sense.
Yes it does prove Jesus existed before the N.T.

No it doesn't, it potentially infers that there was a thing (possibly a person) called Christ that they worshipped, it does not prove that person exists (or whether it was physical or spiritual) any more than people worshipping god proves that god exists.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: As I said earlier you have yet to prove this man is a Muslim.
Christians are executed in Jordan. There's your answer. Do you think Islamic radicals would allow this man to provide evidence of CHRIST on Islamic territory?

I don't give a damn ... prove this man was a Muslim.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: It's YOUR claim, YOU ask Hassan, while you're at it you might try confirming the claim above.
I would love to ask Al-Hassan, but apparenly Islamic Leaders in Jordan have halted this story from going any further. Gee, I wonder why?

Gee, I wonder why you're avoiding the question ... prove Hassan was a Muslim.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Er ... no we're not and quite frankly you're being at best disingenuous, at worst lying, to say "we" (as a group) are.
Atheists have some explaining to do.

No, YOU are the one making the EXTRAORDINARY claim, it is up to YOU to prove it. Atheists are not all (en masse) claiming what you said, if anything they seem to be shifting towards the idea that your Christ didn't exist at all.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Apparently such claims need some for of supporting and rationally interpreted evidence as well ... perhaps you'd be so good as top provide something a little more weighty than OPINION.
This cave was not a matter of opinion. It was based on facts. That's why Islamic leaders threatened this guy.

The cave is evidence certainly however it has yet to be demonstrated that it supports your claims. I tentatively accept it demonstrates Christian worship at the time the cave was in use ... you have yet to demonstrate that Hassan is a Muslim (a key part of your argument as it reflects on a possible pro-Christian agenda), that the cave is as old as Hassan claims and that the "worshippers" (if any) were literally worshipping a physical Christ (it remains a possibility that they were Gnostics, Gnostics apparently believed Christ was a spiritual rather than physical being).

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Nope, nor do I greatly care ... please prove Hassan is a Muslim.
In case you didn't know. Openly admitted Christians are persecuted in Jordan, and most of the Middle East.

I don't give a damn ... prove this man was a Muslim.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Your friend told you? Oh Lord, my eyes have been opened! Just get to it will you? Prove this Hassan is a Muslim.
I didn't claim it to be true. I just told you what I heard in another forum. But I doubt it to be true since openly public christians are killed in countries like Jordan.

You "heard it in another forum"??? What the #@&% do you think evidence is? If you "heard it another forum" it is not unreasonable to NOT treat this claim as evidence, at best it is hearsay. I don't care what you think it means; you're biased ... I care about the facts.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 12, 2008 at 6:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And when it is I'm sure we will accept it even if a little unwillingly but until that day please, be a good chap, and provide some [expletive deleted] evidence!!!
The evidence has been exposed.

No, your OPINION has been exposed. Unsupported opinion (especially form one with so obvious an agenda) is not now and never will be considered evidence.

(December 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: "They will be without excuse!"

That means You!

Like I give a damn!

Kyu
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!! - by Kyuuketsuki - December 14, 2008 at 9:01 am

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