1-it says in the Quran it will be preserved:
If any changes happened you would have seen a lot of muslim in this time leaving islam as it would be a prove that the Quran is not a revelation from god but that never happened but in fact islam in this time was increasing
2- during muhammed(pbuh)life:
- memorization
It’s a unique thing in islam that people use to memorize all of it as all muslims pray 5 times a day(at least) rectating some of the Quran in the prayer loudly infront of a lot of the muslims imagine this happening for 23 years by thousands of muslims and also in their prayers alone at night(some of them use to pray for 3 or 4 hours at night)
-annual review
Review of the entire Quran in ramadan by the people memorizing it with muhammed (pbuh) himself( as it is still done today)
-companions wrote it:
There was a lot of his companion who were delegated to write the revelations like: Abu Bakr, Umar, Khalid Bin Al-waleed, Zayd ibn Thabit, `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Aban, Bin Said, Mu`awiyah and others(plus the other companions memorizing it also others writing personal copies) all done during the time of the Prophet under his direct supervision.
3-After muhammed(pbuh) death:
The quran was totally written and there was thousands of people memorizing it as a whole and some memorizing parts of it and in the time of abu bakr the first caliph 70 of the memorizer died in a war called el yamama (2 years after muhammed(pbuh) death) so they decided to unite the material of the Quran as it was written in different materials with different companions
4-The criterea of unifying the material to paper:
Zayd ibn Thabit was resposible for this(one of the memorizers of the whole Quran and also was delegated from the prophet himself to write the Quran)
a- He required the presence of two witnesses to testify that this copy was written by the order of the Prophet under his instructions and in his presence.
b- Another two witnesses must also have memorized the contents of such a copy.
c- The members of the presiding committee also memorized the contents, although none of them were accepted as witnesses.
Thus, each copy presented had at least five witnesses: the owner of the manuscript or document, the memorizers, and the two witnesses who witnessed the writing during the time of the Prophet himself. In addition, Abu Bakr and Umar supervised this entire process
That was a compilation of thr Quran not writing and then this copy was kept in the custody of abu bakr and after his death in the custody of umar the second caliph and after his death it was in the custody of hafsa the daughter of umar(to the people thinking that woman was inferior the original copy of the Quran was under a custody of a woman for over 5 years)
5-uthman the third caliph:
in the time of uthman there was a lot muslims from different places The dialectal differences in Arabic among the different Arab tribes were causing disputes over the pronunciation of some verses and they used to write it by how they say it so there was a lot of different spelling errors in their personal copies of the Quran and also in this time a lot of non arab was becoming muslims and they was learning arabic which was also may make a great problem as they will learn and maybe even memorize the Quran in a wrong way
- Uthman acted immediately to address this issue, and he ordered a committee to copy the master copy that Hafsah have. They made six copies, Once they finished these six copies, which were compared to Hafsah copy(that was compiled by abu bakr), all other personal copies owned by individuals were burned(all of this was done in public infront of thouthands of memorizers). Uthman sent these six copies all over the Muslim world, keeping one copy in Madinah and returning the original master copy to Hafsah all this happened after 14 years of muhammed(pbuh) death
NB:we still have uthman copies(not all) till today and its exactly the same as we have(its kept in turkey museum) there is a lot of countries claiming that they have one of uthman copies and they are also the same
6-When do people start changing the religious books:
1-when it does not contain their claims or doctorines
2-when they don’t want to follow its commandments
3-when there is different opinions and they want to force their opinion
4-when they lose the original copies and have many books claiming to be the word of god
7-How to assure the credability of a divine book:
1- the book should contain the major beliefs of the people following it
2-All verses in such manuscripts or books should be accepted by the followers of the respective religion.
3-no different versions or people having hard time saying what is from the book and what is not
4-no anonymous writers the writers must be known
5-you don’t find anyone trying to change or add to the current book
6. The book should include the message of God only as conveyed by the respective prophets and not doctrines or teachings of humans who are supposed to be followers of the prophets.
7-there must be at least one original copy in the original language dating to the time of the prophet or close to his time.
8- The original manuscripts should not contain any variances or contradictory accounts of the same events.
ok guys i couldnt make it shorter than that but hope it will answer the people asking about Quran authenticity after this thread i will take a little rest from refuting misconceptions and will concentrate more on atheism so anyone who wants to know about other subject regarding misconceptions about islam just ask and i will put it in mind and then we can continue later about anything you guys think about islam
If any changes happened you would have seen a lot of muslim in this time leaving islam as it would be a prove that the Quran is not a revelation from god but that never happened but in fact islam in this time was increasing
2- during muhammed(pbuh)life:
- memorization
It’s a unique thing in islam that people use to memorize all of it as all muslims pray 5 times a day(at least) rectating some of the Quran in the prayer loudly infront of a lot of the muslims imagine this happening for 23 years by thousands of muslims and also in their prayers alone at night(some of them use to pray for 3 or 4 hours at night)
-annual review
Review of the entire Quran in ramadan by the people memorizing it with muhammed (pbuh) himself( as it is still done today)
-companions wrote it:
There was a lot of his companion who were delegated to write the revelations like: Abu Bakr, Umar, Khalid Bin Al-waleed, Zayd ibn Thabit, `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Aban, Bin Said, Mu`awiyah and others(plus the other companions memorizing it also others writing personal copies) all done during the time of the Prophet under his direct supervision.
3-After muhammed(pbuh) death:
The quran was totally written and there was thousands of people memorizing it as a whole and some memorizing parts of it and in the time of abu bakr the first caliph 70 of the memorizer died in a war called el yamama (2 years after muhammed(pbuh) death) so they decided to unite the material of the Quran as it was written in different materials with different companions
4-The criterea of unifying the material to paper:
Zayd ibn Thabit was resposible for this(one of the memorizers of the whole Quran and also was delegated from the prophet himself to write the Quran)
a- He required the presence of two witnesses to testify that this copy was written by the order of the Prophet under his instructions and in his presence.
b- Another two witnesses must also have memorized the contents of such a copy.
c- The members of the presiding committee also memorized the contents, although none of them were accepted as witnesses.
Thus, each copy presented had at least five witnesses: the owner of the manuscript or document, the memorizers, and the two witnesses who witnessed the writing during the time of the Prophet himself. In addition, Abu Bakr and Umar supervised this entire process
That was a compilation of thr Quran not writing and then this copy was kept in the custody of abu bakr and after his death in the custody of umar the second caliph and after his death it was in the custody of hafsa the daughter of umar(to the people thinking that woman was inferior the original copy of the Quran was under a custody of a woman for over 5 years)
5-uthman the third caliph:
in the time of uthman there was a lot muslims from different places The dialectal differences in Arabic among the different Arab tribes were causing disputes over the pronunciation of some verses and they used to write it by how they say it so there was a lot of different spelling errors in their personal copies of the Quran and also in this time a lot of non arab was becoming muslims and they was learning arabic which was also may make a great problem as they will learn and maybe even memorize the Quran in a wrong way
- Uthman acted immediately to address this issue, and he ordered a committee to copy the master copy that Hafsah have. They made six copies, Once they finished these six copies, which were compared to Hafsah copy(that was compiled by abu bakr), all other personal copies owned by individuals were burned(all of this was done in public infront of thouthands of memorizers). Uthman sent these six copies all over the Muslim world, keeping one copy in Madinah and returning the original master copy to Hafsah all this happened after 14 years of muhammed(pbuh) death
NB:we still have uthman copies(not all) till today and its exactly the same as we have(its kept in turkey museum) there is a lot of countries claiming that they have one of uthman copies and they are also the same
6-When do people start changing the religious books:
1-when it does not contain their claims or doctorines
2-when they don’t want to follow its commandments
3-when there is different opinions and they want to force their opinion
4-when they lose the original copies and have many books claiming to be the word of god
7-How to assure the credability of a divine book:
1- the book should contain the major beliefs of the people following it
2-All verses in such manuscripts or books should be accepted by the followers of the respective religion.
3-no different versions or people having hard time saying what is from the book and what is not
4-no anonymous writers the writers must be known
5-you don’t find anyone trying to change or add to the current book
6. The book should include the message of God only as conveyed by the respective prophets and not doctrines or teachings of humans who are supposed to be followers of the prophets.
7-there must be at least one original copy in the original language dating to the time of the prophet or close to his time.
8- The original manuscripts should not contain any variances or contradictory accounts of the same events.
ok guys i couldnt make it shorter than that but hope it will answer the people asking about Quran authenticity after this thread i will take a little rest from refuting misconceptions and will concentrate more on atheism so anyone who wants to know about other subject regarding misconceptions about islam just ask and i will put it in mind and then we can continue later about anything you guys think about islam
